AirNZ 733s - the exit begins?

[ZKNBA]

Most of Air New Zealand's 737s are leased. Therefore it will be the lessors who will place Air New Zealand's 737s with new owners.

From what I have been told Air NZ has been short of a CFM56 since ZK-NGD had this incident in May (http://bit.ly/qCQlPP). For the interim an engine was 'borrowed' from another 737 which was about to undergo a D check and installed on ZK-NGD. When the 737 came out of the D check it needed a new engine so Air NZ bought ZK-NGF from the lessor 'borrowed' an engine and has since parted her out.

On another note i'm really happy the 737s are being replaced with A320s. While i still like the 737s (their interiors are much better than most other 737 operators), they were getting old and in need of replacement. The new domestic A320s have really nice interiors (http://bit.ly/pNzcwi) (http://bit.ly/rfpycN), the seats are really comfortably and I always notice the extra 18cm of cabin width

I hope Air New Zealand's remaining 737s find good homes and will spend much more time airborne.

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 19 2011,9:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

....... I tell you what was dumb though, the fact they brought an aeroplane they cannot turn around in the usual 30 mins. The main reason for the A320s long domestic turnaround is the hot brakes. The only way around this is a brake cooling kit – imagine all that extra fuel burn!

Although brake cooling can be an issue at times this is not what is limiting turnaround time. They just cannot unload and load in the required time.

[benwynn]

Believe part of the reason with the A320 turnaround time is the fact that A320s use pallets rather than just loading bags into the cargo hold.

[deeknow]

QUOTE

Believe part of the reason with the A320 turnaround time is the fact that A320s use pallets rather than just loading bags into the cargo hold[/quote]
Correct, back when I worked for Air NZ we used the 767 domestically every day. The time it took to turn the aircraft round was dictated by the time it took to get the containers off and on the aircraft.

[deeknow]

Another 300 has left Air NZ....
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/...jc-retires.html

[towerguy]

give me a boeing any day

cleared immediate take off and they push the levers and go
airbus - it's type type blast ctrl alt del reset retype and wait by then the b1900 on final is midway down the circuit after the go round!

its a flying eftpos machine

Essentially french total piece of sh1t

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (towerguy @ Jun 7 2013,11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

give me a boeing any day

cleared immediate take off and they push the levers and go
airbus - it's type type blast ctrl alt del reset retype and wait by then the b1900 on final is midway down the circuit after the go round!

its a flying eftpos machine

Essentially french total piece of sh1t

May i save this quote as my own

[NZ255]

QUOTE (towerguy @ Jun 7 2013,10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

give me a boeing any day

cleared immediate take off and they push the levers and go
airbus - it's type type blast ctrl alt del reset retype and wait by then the b1900 on final is midway down the circuit after the go round!

its a flying eftpos machine

Essentially french total piece of sh1t

What happens if you have a slow AC taking off and a fast AC approaching, (or vice versa) the AC on final has to go around then the AC takes off into the path?

Or do you not let it get that far?

[towerguy]

"What happens if you have a slow AC taking off and a fast AC approaching, (or vice versa) the AC on final has to go around then the AC takes off into the path?

Or do you not let it get that far? "

That's why we do the training and so few get through.

All is weather and individual situation dependent - each has so many variables its hard to give a set answer as to what would happen - yes there are standard procedures but they can all be mixed and matched depending on the situation ie is the weather above or below circling, the types and speeds of the aircraft, what aids are/are not working, who is on radar down south, have i just sat down after two weeks on leave or am I three weeks in and in the zone, which airline is it and what are their SOPs, why is he going around, is the guy/girl okay or an assh0le?
Put it all in the mix and come up with an action to take - you have 3 seconds - and remember - it will be dissected and pulled apart word by word and action by action in a courtroom by people who have no clue about aviation, and also if you do it well enough it will be on the news, in the paper, and all over youtube. No Pressure.

We do try not to let it get that far, but we also should/do know what to do if it does go there - and it has before now.

You should sign up and give it a go. It's actually a really good job.
Sure as sh1t beats working for a living.

[cowpatz]

It will be even more fun with reduced runway separation and conditional clearances to shortly come into effect at NZAA.

[towerguy]

fun -yeah right.
still a few snags I can foresee, to be watched out for and ironed out. The missed approach area especially.
I think I'll still be running pretty conservatively for quite a while. (once I get back from holiday - going to Raro and Aitutaki in a couple of weeks for about a month.)

[deeknow]

ZK-NGM left the country for good today following its retirement earlier in the year, another 300 bites the dust...
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/...300-zk-ngm.html

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Nov 21 2013,8:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ZK-NGM left the country for good today following its retirement earlier in the year, another 300 bites the dust...

ArrrrrBUST! ... !

[HamiltonWest]

http://newzealandaviationaddict.blogspot.c...retirement.html

[Ian Warren]

Just a bloody damn shame .. another bean counter cockup , almost 50 years of the type in NZ sky's

[omitchell]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ May 21 2014,7:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just a bloody damn shame .. another bean counter cockup , almost 50 years of the type in NZ sky's

Don't worry Ian, the way the Airbus's are performing I think it's safe to say we will see some sort of 73X back in our Koru at some point...

[Ian Warren]

The ARBUST have become proven not be as stacked up to be what original spec's , corrosion found in wings and all sorts, why change a perfectly good wheel for a flat !

[cowpatz]

Allegiances aside the only real issue with the Airbus domestically is the slower turnaround times. This has had an affect on aircraft numbers.

[omitchell]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ May 21 2014,9:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Allegiances aside the only real issue with the Airbus domestically is the slower turnaround times. This has had an affect on aircraft numbers.

And financial costs...

[scon]

I'll eat my hat if we get another 737. Lots of A320 bashers around, none that I know of have ever flown the 320.

Just bought another sim for the fleet, passengers seem to like them, I like them as a passenger. They seem to be making a good effort with OTP, front and rear boarding must help. The 10 that I have been on in the last 3 weeks have all been on time, although that doesn't give a great overall indication of OTP.

From what I understand they offer a significantly improved CASM, coupled with a combined type for TASPAC and Domestic should improve the bottom line I would imagine.

I hear people say ' this was a bean counters decision ', yes it was. Find me another 'end of the line' carrier which is going as well as our national carrier, take a look across the ditch? $140 million profit in the first half, that result is not achieved by a company that has lost the plot with its financial decisions.

90% of passengers couldn't tell the difference between an A320 or 737 let alone care what they fly on, what they care about, is price and product, the A320 works. One should not confuse a personal preference of the 737 or allegiance to a manufacture of aircraft as proof of a wrong decision or failing company direction. The 747 is soon to go, replaced by the 77W, which from my understanding from a piloting point of view in regard to performance, performs decidedly worse, yet finically, decidedly better .. yet Boeing to Boeing, no nay sayers.

As a kiwi and aviation fan, it will be sad to see the 737 go, truly it is. Would have loved the opportunity to fly it one day.
But aside from that .. the future looks good.