New Build - Win8 - Yes or no?

[dart15]

I've been away from the forum for a while. Part of the reason is that I have been without a PC for sometime but the time has come to build a new rig. This time I'll be basing it around the micro ATX form factor but still expect great things - I'm aiming for 4.7Ghz.

Anyway, my immediate question concerns OS selection.

There were earlier rumblings of discontent here about Win 8 but what is the current consensus? Is there any real reason NOT to install W8?

Looking forward to re-joining the ranks and doing some carrier multiplayer..

Cheers

[omitchell]

There is a very good reason not to install Win8. WINDOWS 7 IS STILL AVAILABLE....

Seriously. 8 can be a nightmare, it has gone right off a cliff after 7, you are far better with Win7 64bit...

[Ian Warren]

Hi ya Kieth, long time, appears little or no conflict, couple here use it, just a bit tricky - I'm Win7-64... 4.7 that's what i need.

MPs and carrier ops is great fun tho the best ship tho and style is WWII, not sure if anyone has converted the Nimitz tho this one at flightsim.com I have not tried .

Name: pilotable-cxr-nimitz.zip
Size: 10,376,806 Date: 08-30-2013 Downloads: 947

FSX Pilotable Aircraft Carrier USS Nimitz. Requires the AI package from Javier Fernandez (USS_NIMITZ_IKE.ZIP). This add-on provides a pilotable ship with 2D panel as navigation bridge and five VC cameras. Seventeen other cameras allows you to explore the ship. There are plenty of views of the flight deck, the hangars and within the island plus two external ones. Even three different pilot views are included (Crusader, Tomcat and Hornet). Bitmaps and configuration by Erwin Welker.

[toprob]

Win 8 is a big improvement over 7, especially adding drivers etc. I loved 7, but I couldn't go back to it now, it seems clunky, with more steps to do simple things.

[dart15]

Thanks Ian - I'll look at it.

Personally I lean toward FAA/RN and carriers like the Ark and Vic. Successfully putting an F4k or Bucc s1 or s2 down on the Ark is much more gratifying (for me) than the US carrier acres. I love those Flying Stations models but have had issues getting the catapults to work in the past.

[Ian Warren]

You MP with those aircraft carriers because the decks are not hardened, you need to use a a program AIcarriers or create ship traffic plan, the Ark Royal has routes outside Gibraltar, with carrier launching can get tricky and yes the smaller carrier is lot more fun , putting the Skywarrior onto the ARK

The only carrier idea for MP is Bruce Fitzgerald's CV-6 and one has to drive the ship, be interesting to find out if other have tinkered with hardening the decks .

[s0cks]

I thought the new chips couldn't overclock as well as the older ones? Is that 4.7GHz on air or water-cooled?

In response to your question. I use Win8.1 with FSX and P3D and the only problem I had was the joystick dropping out - I solved this by mapping the controls through FSUIPC. Since then I've had no issues.

[omitchell]

QUOTE (toprob @ May 27 2014,10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Win 8 is a big improvement over 7, especially adding drivers etc. I loved 7, but I couldn't go back to it now, it seems clunky, with more steps to do simple things.

I will argue this till I am dead and buried...

[toprob]

QUOTE (omitchell @ May 27 2014,1:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I will argue this till I am dead and buried...

I hope to be using at least Windows 12 by then...

[dart15]

QUOTE (s0cks @ May 27 2014,11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I thought the new chips couldn't overclock as well as the older ones? Is that 4.7GHz on air or water-cooled? In response to your question. I use Win8.1 with FSX and P3D and the only problem I had was the joystick dropping out - I solved this by mapping the controls through FSUIPC. Since then I've had no issues.

4.7 is the target - it may or may not be achievable (stably) depending upon the quality of the actual parts delivered. I will be using the Corsair 100i water cooler.

Did you encounter any issues when installing FSX on 8.1 (apart from the j/s)? Do you use a reasonable range of add-on a/c, scenery etc?

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (omitchell @ May 27 2014,2:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I will argue this till I am dead and buried...

Oh, I'm running Windows 8 with P3Dv2 and have had no issues at all . I'd also have a very hard time going back to 7 or older

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (dart15 @ May 27 2014,2:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

4.7 is the target - it may or may not be achievable (stably) depending upon the quality of the actual parts delivered. I will be using the Corsair 100i water cooler.

4.7 will be a very hard target to reach using a Haswell cpu. They run much hotter than the others. I have just built a system with a 4770K and a Corsair 100i cooler and I could get to 4.5 but will sit at 4.4 and keep slightly lower temps.
I think you will need to de lid the cpu to get that sort of clock from a Haswell. One problem is that it is a bit of a lottery as to how well your cpu will overclock. Due to some manufacturing issues some will overclock better than others and you will only be able to tell after purchase and once you start testing.

Have a good read of this. It is lengthy but it is the definitive guide for overclocking for flight sim use:

http://www.simforums.com/forums/haswell-48...topic46180.html

For me windows 7 all the way.

[Splitpin]

This is my dilemma .... i trust all the posters here , but what do i upgrade to ? whats good for one , may not be good for another . I really think I'll just sit here on XP for as long as i can ... and then jump to whatever i think will suit .

[rocky289]

I would go to win8 if I was buying a new OS but wouldn't uninstall win7 to change.

[scaber]

QUOTE (rocky289 @ May 27 2014,10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I would go to win8 if I was buying a new OS but wouldn't uninstall win7 to change.

Agreed. Been running FSX on Win8 and now 8.1 since it came out.

[rocky289]

Any noticeable difference with FSX?

[s0cks]

QUOTE (dart15 @ May 27 2014,2:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Did you encounter any issues when installing FSX on 8.1 (apart from the j/s)? Do you use a reasonable range of add-on a/c, scenery etc?

No issues installing (other than I couldn't activate, maybe because MS shut the activation servers down, so I just cracked it). I use Orbx for scenery and some freeware airports around NZ. I also use OpusFSX and REX4 for the environment and I have quite a few addon aircraft from A2A to Aerosoft to Alabeo to Carenado. Oh, I just remembered that I did have to download and place the uiautomationcore.dll into my FSX root directory to fix continuous CTD's, but I believe this was also a problem on Win7 64bit.

I wouldn't really class to H100i as water cooling, although it does use water it is comparable to air coolers rather than custom watercooling setups. I also hate how ridiculously loud they are, but I'm a sucker for a quiet PC (after years of overclocking and noisy computers). Good luck anyway! I'm personally hoping that P3Dv2.3 (and beyond) introduces some better optimization so that pure clock speed isn't so necessary.

[NZ255]

The only reason I would consider not going to Windows 8 is sometimes my joystick cuts out and you can't get it back. Usually happens when you alt tab.

Having said that I'm on 8.1 with Update.

[s0cks]

QUOTE (NZ255 @ May 28 2014,11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The only reason I would consider not going to Windows 8 is sometimes my joystick cuts out and you can't get it back. Usually happens when you alt tab.

Having said that I'm on 8.1 with Update.

Fixed by mapping through FSUIPC. You need the registered version though - but its a great tool and well worth the $$ imo.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (scaber @ May 28 2014,8:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agreed. Been running FSX on Win8 and now 8.1 since it came out.

For Christchurch (ex Wobblyvillens) The Computer Scientist is only around the corner and one up with the app's dapp's and Win8 hap's ... "bugger I miss real world turbulence"