Aircraft names.

[Splitpin]

As i have a little time on my hands of late , i tend to float a little (thought wise ) and today while reclining in the sun , i "floated" to the subject of this post.
The animal and insect kingdom is well represented , as are place names , celestial bodies , and indeed indigenous peoples of north America (which i dont agree with)
Let me explain the "i dont agree " part .
Piper , are the main culprit ( a little harsh perhaps) here , with names like Cherokee , Apache , Seneca , Pawnee etc , and Bell as well with , Sioux , Iroquois , Kiowa .
Great names , but used Im sure (i know ) without consultation .... these are the names of nations of people , many of whom have been relegated to history by nothing less than genocide.

Can you imagine the uproar , if Boeing , for example came out with the "Boeing Ngai Tahu " without consultation (and several million dollars)
Anyway , for fear of being deleted for being racist or arrogant , or worse ..... I guess the numbers game has taken over ..... 78 , A3, .... so this little rant becomes null and void ..... but as i said , i was just thinking.

And i guess the Boeing .... Piper ... whatever " Nigel" would be hard to sell .

Shoot at will .

[deeknow]

Yes that is ruddy interesting. I've just spent half an hour (invoice on its way to you Marty ) looking on-line for any connection or reason for the naming convention but cant find anything.

There was one post that suggested William Piper Sr had Native American genealogy but that seems a little unlikely. He certainly doesn't look Indian. He apparently grew up in a farming family then got a scholarship to go to Yale after impressing folks on the sports ground. Not too many Native American Indians attended Yale in the late 1800's I wouldn't have thought.

[Naki]

Interesting stuff deeknow and topic Marty...The Bell names aren't Bell names... it's US Army naming. ie Boeing Apache.

Piper haven't named any of their aircraft after any Indian tribes since the 80,s. Seminole and Seneca are still been made but have been around for many years. They have probably run out of tribes😄

[Splitpin]

Didn't mean to be inflammatory ..... it was just an observation made from my sunny spot this afternoon.
Naki , your right ..... the U.S Army took the names , but i still dont agree with the the method ..... anyway , this isn't the place , and i stand down .

QUOTE (deeknow @ Oct 1 2014,8:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes that is ruddy interesting. I've just spent half an hour (invoice on its way to you Marty ) looking on-line for any connection or reason for the naming convention but cant find anything.

There was one post that suggested William Piper Sr had Native American genealogy but that seems a little unlikely. He certainly doesn't look Indian. He apparently grew up in a farming family then got a scholarship to go to Yale after impressing folks on the sports ground. Not too many Native American Indians attended Yale in the late 1800's I wouldn't have thought.

They didn't deeknow , and they dont today ..... but this is a subject for some place else , not a flightsim forum . I didn't mean to start anything , it was just a thought.

[Ian Warren]

Boeing .. and the Indian tribe was "Stratofortress" , you have never seen them , they are in the great white god clouds , say something wrong all hell breaks loose ! ... look at how the Spitfire was named ... just took to the fancy off Reginald Mitchell , was to be a Shrew !? by the air ministry ... CRIKEY! that would have scared the Luftwaffe ...

Imagine the war comic's of today ! .... Achtung Achtung Shrew Shrew Shrew ...... Nah just would not sound right , almost like the HE111 gunners are saying "shew shew shew" fluttering there hands trying to scare them away

[Fozzer]

I'll tell you what, Chums... ...

I have more success in pronouncing American Indian tribal names, than I do with Maori tribal names!...>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iwi

...and as for pronouncing (and spelling) Maori named locations in NZ......I give up!....beats me, every time!... ....

You Blokes must have got used to it by now!... .....!

Paul.... ...!

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Fozzer @ Oct 1 2014,11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You Blokes must have got used to it by now!... .....!

Some off of us still wonder what the Whaka , when I was at school it was Taupo mate pronounced Tower-po ... regular 6pm news today Taupo pronounce it as Too-poo ... STINK!

[gojozoom]

The safest approach is how De Havilland did it - animals can't be offended and won't submit complaint forms against them

If I had an aircraft company I would go with musical genre's, like: Airbus Jazz Fusion, Boeing Funk, Cessna Punk, Piper Hiphop

[SeanTK]

This got me thinking about the one downside of the live Teamspeak chats when flying online. I think I have the New Zealand place-name pronunciations down, but there's always a curve ball. Doesn't help that a few have UK origins which seem to ignore the presence of various consonants and vowels as well!

For example...take Blenheim.
I've heard it pronounced: Blenheim (short e, long i), Blenem (sort of rhymes with denim), Bleneem...etc.

Or Woodbourne...which could be Woodborn, Woodburn, Woobun, etc.

Or various Welsh names...which basically seem to be a case of one person writing down random letters, and another person deciding to get drunk and try to sound it out...whatever they said sticks.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (SeanTK @ Oct 2 2014,11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This got me thinking about the one downside of the live Teamspeak chats when flying online. I think I have the New Zealand place-name pronunciations down, but there's always a curve ball. Doesn't help that a few have UK origins which seem to ignore the presence of various consonants and vowels as well!

For example...take Blenheim.
I've heard it pronounced: Blenheim (short e, long i), Blenem (sort of rhymes with denim), Bleneem...etc.

Or Woodbourne...which could be Woodborn, Woodburn, Woobun, etc.

Or various Welsh names...which basically seem to be a case of one person writing down random letters, and another person deciding to get drunk and try to sound it out...whatever they said sticks.

I just speak Ianglish and if that throws me out .. its just JIBBER JIBBER and the secret wave ya arms in the air .

[deeknow]

QUOTE (SeanTK @ Oct 2 2014,11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think I have the New Zealand place-name pronunciations down, but there's always a curve ball. Doesn't help that a few have UK origins which seem to ignore the presence of various consonants and vowels as well!

Oh don't worry, us kiwi's know how to butcher pretty much any language, including but not limited to English and Maori.
e.g. I come from a small country settlement called Ngahinepouri. Should probably be pronounced "nah-hee-nay-po-ree" but the locals shorten it to "purr-ree" coz its too hard
also, just down the road is a town called Te Awamutu. Once again should be "tay-arr-wa-mootu" .. but locals say "tee-a-muta"

[steelsporran]

Just as idly thinking Marty, there's Hurricane, Tempest, Tornado, Typhoon, Whirlwind but no "Winds light to moderate rising to gale about the Sounds"

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (steelsporran @ Oct 2 2014,1:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Whirlwind but no "Winds light to moderate rising to gale about the Sounds"

Be looking out for that one shortly - something new in the breeze

[johnkiwi]

"He says..." laughing with great gusto

[gojozoom]

Yes, languages seem to go lazy everywhere...it's funny how people don't really want to put effort into speaking properly anymore. Thinking about those abbreviations we started using in verbal communications: OMG, ASAP, LOL, and the rest. Like it was real hard to say the whole thing properly...bloody shortcuts everywhere...

[dbcunnz]

Don't start talking about the mobile phone txt language or ul b in 4 a big shock 2 @ how short word have become

[emfrat]

Even the mighty Beeb can mangle things...in the mid-1960s BBC-TV North made the national News with a story about a failed payroll robbery in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Their reporter told the whole country "...security guard Albert Suggs foiled the hijackers by turning his armoured van into a gasworks"

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (steelsporran @ Oct 2 2014,1:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just as idly thinking Marty, there's Hurricane, Tempest, Tornado, Typhoon, Whirlwind but no "Winds light to moderate rising to gale about the Sounds"

Ahhh , kilty .....

QUOTE (gojozoom @ Oct 2 2014,1:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, languages seem to go lazy everywhere...it's funny how people don't really want to put effort into speaking properly anymore. Thinking about those abbreviations we started using in verbal communications: OMG, ASAP, LOL, and the rest. Like it was real hard to say the whole thing properly...bloody shortcuts everywhere...

Agree .... i must be one of the last people on earth who still sends a whole word via txt , i cant stand all that "me8" "biz" and the rest of it .... nobody is that busy , just bloody lazy.

QUOTE (gojozoom @ Oct 2 2014,8:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The safest approach is how De Havilland did it - animals can't be offended and won't submit complaint forms against them

If I had an aircraft company I would go with musical genre's, like: Airbus Jazz Fusion, Boeing Funk, Cessna Punk, Piper Hiphop

Yes

[Splitpin]

Pretty much sums it up ...... worth a look .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hJQsvoY6VU

[steelsporran]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Oct 2 2014,6:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Pretty much sums it up ...... worth a look .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hJQsvoY6VU

Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady -

... Oh, why can't the English learn to set a good example to people whose
English is painful to your ears?
The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There even are places where English completely disappears.
In America, they haven't used it for years!