Milviz MD530F

[Ian Warren]

Ok , Thanks Nick, I was not sure, the general rule with new aircraft models.

[chopper_nut]

Played around with it a bit more. Now N2 and Nr seem to be split in flight and the beeper doesn't seem to change it. Also when opening the throttle to flight idle, the RPM comes up in one big wallop at the end of the throttle travel.

[Ian Warren]

I'm sure with these findings and having Narutokun checking in regular you may see extra tweaks fingers crossed ... to most they won't notice this , a good example was the two Huey's the Aerosoft and the Nemeth Bro's .. the Aerosoft wins out are far as flight dynamics appear ... I cant really say because never flown the helicopter but been in the Huey couple times.

[chopper_nut]

The trouble is that the issues that crop up seem to be different with different people. If you look at the Milviz videos, the start seems to be a lot more accurate.

[chopper_nut]

I've almost given up on Nemeth. Full of bugs and unfinished.

[chopper_nut]

After a bit more test flying, I've figured out what's going on with the RPM. On the real thing, I would say that it's improper rigging, on the sim, it's improper programming. N1 and N2 are both sitting at 110% and I think that the M/R has far too much inertia. It's taking a long time to spool down. Also, I'm not sure about the TOT. With a more or less standard day, full fuel and MCP (TOT) I'm only getting about 90kts. With an empty airframe I'm pretty sure I should be able to get up to 110kts or there abouts. In a dive, it should get up to VNE pretty quick. At the moment in a dive, it's only getting to about 120kts. At least it's much more flyable. Anyone feel like doing some NZ paints for it?

[Ian Warren]

Anyone feel like doing some NZ paints for it?

May require a buying first, I did take photos off the earlier model ... guess it the closes we will get.

[Narutokun]

Noted and reported .

Edit...small update about why our rotor FDE guy did things this way, without the external flight model called HTR its going to have to be an acceptable tradeoff. Either we have realistic auto rotation and overly high M/R inertia, with weather engine startup problems, or we have realistic startups, but the thing falls out of the sky if you try to auto-rotate.

[chopper_nut]

Ok. I might load up HTR and see how it goes. For me personally, I'd rather have realistic fde for normal operations and sacrifice the autos.

[Ian Warren]

Nick, definitely would be a bonus having both, question did the Dodosim 206 have the both options?

[chopper_nut]

No Dodosim is actually more realistic than HTR, it runs it's own flight model. Running HTR at the same time produces some strange results.

[Ian Warren]

Never really introduced HTR's on any helicopter model .. the two most dynamic types I have here is the CH-54 and Aerosoft Huey .. I believe this is one area in FS lack still lags even after 20 years helicopters were introduce.

[chopper_nut]

Just tried it out with the ND MD500 profile on HTR. I have to say that I'm not that much of a fan. It might be ok with proper flight controls but with a twisty joystick, it just isn't fun. Pedal positions may be a little more accurate but it's too hard. Rotor inertia hasn't changed and N2 and N1 are still at 110%. When I snap the throttle back to ground idle, the Nr drops before N2 so it may be running even higher than 110%.

[Ian Warren]

I think generally with helicopters would require an outside module along the lines of A2A or PMDG , this has always been the egg , strange the affect between the two A2A .. Piper and Cessna it dose give you a sensation , but I think helicopters are very limited , thinking of another model would be the Wilco Harrier , bloody gorgeous for scenery checking and VTOL , thing is ... basically use the same flight dynamics as a helicopter.

[chopper_nut]

I think you're right there. Megashaft really neglected the helicopter flight model since it was introduced. A2A, PMDG, Dodosim have the right idea with external flight models. HTR has gone some of the way but as I said, it isn't much good with a joystick. I see the good folks at Milviz have graced us with another update this morning. The only difference I have noticed is the option to install it for SE. I have actually picked up on a couple of things that need fixing. The lighting is pretty ordinary. The beacon wont start until the generator is up and running. The nav lights on the skids and the landing light work with just the battery on. The lighting effects aren't that great in my opinion either. The landing light is the usual lighting effect but the nav and rotating beacon are like some custom lighting effect which just looks quite poor. I assume that the beacon under the fuselage is supposed to look like it is rotating but I'd rather have the standard effects like I have on the rest of my aircraft. The caution and warning lights are a little suspect. The ENG OUT and XMSN OIL PRES in my experience flash when the engine is off. When the engine has started, the XMSN OIL PRES light goes out but at ground idle the ENG OUT light stays on until 90% N1 I THINK




MD530F video showing how quick the TOT and N1 move and also the Ammeter and the Oil Pressure behaving as I have previously described.

[Ian Warren]

I think one off the biggest thing is having a current driver on it rather historical .. sorta the same with some engineering practices .. some people forget but if current it works like clockwork.

[nzkingair]

Have been following you with much interest. I have this but am not having any luck with it. I note that you have a second update for it, but I have not been able to find it. I bought it at FSPilotshop along with the addon pack. Do I have to register on the forum site to get it? With my setup it appears to conflict with the Saitek switch panel, and if I turn off the fuel it also turns it off in the default 172. The only way I can turn it on again is to reload the 172. Starting is an absolute nightmare, and the only startup that is successful is to load the 172 and change to the M530DF. Cheers Warren

[Ian Warren]

Hi ya NZkingair , I don't have the milviz MD530 , Nick is the one who would have the answer for you or went to Milviz
http://milviz.com/flight/products/MD530F/index.php
The very bottom off the page has a free download of the manual

Edit: also noticed a little quick start video there as well

[nzkingair]

Thanks Ian, I already have the manual which came with the product.

[chopper_nut]

Have been following you with much interest. I have this but am not having any luck with it. I note that you have a second update for it, but I have not been able to find it. I bought it at FSPilotshop along with the addon pack. Do I have to register on the forum site to get it? With my setup it appears to conflict with the Saitek switch panel, and if I turn off the fuel it also turns it off in the default 172. The only way I can turn it on again is to reload the 172. Starting is an absolute nightmare, and the only startup that is successful is to load the 172 and change to the M530DF. Cheers Warren

I bought mine off Simmarket and I get an email every time it gets updated. What version is your installer? You shouldn't need to register on Milviz's website to get the updates. I'm only using a joystick so I can't comment on any potential conflict. There have been a lot of comments on how it affects the default aircraft. Questions, does the start button actuate the starter motor for you? Does the idle cutoff collar work properly? If you pop it, can you roll the throttle back towards you to shut the engine down?