ARBUST V BOEING .. a 'Dave' point off view

[Ian Warren]

Beautiful afternoon yesterday , just tidying up outside , aircraft flying in over head, Course good ole nosy 'Dave' likes to stop out , asking questions, truly he's a bloody funny guy, mentally challenged and with serious diabetes, I start saying something he will repeat it , and me hear the sound off a incoming ... I turn away from the discussion ... He follows suit ....

We both look up and ole 'Dave' ask's me what it was .. It was a VIRGIN Boeing 737-800 series , he said its so much bigger and looks very nice , I told him I preferred the red livery and I guessed he would not pick on that .... then came an ARBUST , this one all black , I said not so pretty and explained the differences.

Fact it is , and this is the amazing thing , as mentally/challenged and handicapped as he is , he said , "OH NO , I don't like those , they keep crashing all the time " ... he is watching TV all day and that is what he picked up on . It was amazing .. he started going thru all the media reports .. Truly a budding aviation expert .

Every time he go's walking past I flick him a quick swiz of the next artwork , course he want's one , a 'SPITFIRE' so that would a difficult one to do

[omitchell]

Fatal crash rates per million flights

Airbus (All models) = 40
Boeing (All Models) = 249 **

** Excludes the DC and MD series they acquired which would add another 80

Ian, stop corrupting people with your hate of Airbus

(Note I don't count Iran Air Flight 655 (A300) shotdown by the US in Iran and MH17 (B777) shot down by Russian sepratists recently)

[Ian Warren]

And to think that was a 'Dave' report , ...... by the way you can't add B-52s to list , they step into harms or people blowing planes up

[cowpatz]

Fatal crash rates per million flights

Airbus (All models) = 40
Boeing (All Models) = 249 **

** Excludes the DC and MD series they acquired which would add another 80 I

Out of interest where did you get those statistics from Owen?

[omitchell]

Fatal crash rates per million flights

Airbus (All models) = 40
Boeing (All Models) = 249 **

** Excludes the DC and MD series they acquired which would add another 80 I

Out of interest where did you get those statistics from Owen?

various sources compiled. I love studying air accidents

[Ian Warren]

various sources compiled. I love studying air accidents

Arr ya morbid bugger , ya just like me .. I simply have not counted .. I do put it this way , even with the Boeing 7 series , most were built in large numbers .. and well before the ARBUST popped in Boeing was around 30 years earlier and that covers just the 70s to the latest course all the sub variants given... I'll get 'Dave' on the case.

[omitchell]

I know, I really should get a less death filled hobby lol

[chopper_nut]

The thing I don't like about Airbus is the fact that a lot of their accidents are caused by failures in automation leading to a failures in basic pilot skill. Incidentally, I'm not hugely keen on FADEC helicopters. The more you automate, the more you invite people to become lazy and if you build something 'so easy that an idiot can operate it' then you will get idiots operating it. Also, I wonder if those stats for Boeing start in the 1960s.....

[Ian Warren]

I wonder if those stats for Boeing start in the 1960s.....

That is another fact the amount off different Boeing aircraft in operation long before an ARBUST got busted for its button pushing , Boeing dates back to the early 1950s with there ideas and have something you feel you can drive .. Its going to be interesting when I get the opportunity to try one out.

It is funny how a non aircraft person a 'Dave' said what he he said with so much conviction and he telling me all these bits and pieces that is going wrong with them , telling me how they are built

[Lindstrim]

Best description I've heard about Airbus's was from one pilot on a type conversion,

Imagine all your taps have changed into, hot water coming out of the blue taps and cold water out of the red ones, but then sometimes it reverses completely.

Also as an aside to this you can see the influences of Boeing in the Northern American aircraft such as the Beech, and Bombardier models. And Airbus's influence on the other European aircraft as the ATR's (Even though they are now owned by Airbus/EADS(?) now)

[Ian Warren]

Best description I've heard about Airbus's was from one pilot on a type conversion,

Imagine all your taps have changed into, hot water coming out of the blue taps and cold water out of the red ones, but then sometimes it reverses completely.

Also as an aside to this you can see the influences of Boeing in the Northern American aircraft such as the Beech, and Bombardier models. And Airbus's influence on the other European aircraft as the ATR's (Even though they are now owned by Airbus/EADS(?) now)

I could do that , change the taps I mean ... tho I would want one off multi flow jobs , sometime you just don't know what you getting.

[omitchell]

I could do that , change the taps I mean ... tho I would want one off multi flow jobs , sometime you just don't know what you getting.

The ex's new house is all wired backwards, hot out of cold and she has all multiflow taps

[Ian Warren]

Just as long as you don't switch on a light and the water starts flowing , turn the tap on and water come out off the power socket! ..... now that's ARBUSTED !.