Windows 10

[LMerraine]

Installed and running.

I did need to install the uiauto.dll again as it kept crashing.

I've installed Orbx SI & NI and the pmdg 737 and so far all good.

[dnkiwi]

Hi Guys I have just upgraded to windows 10 from windows 7 and so far I'm loving the new look but one problem I have is I can't find a way to organise all my emails into folders I've managed to get them come into my inbox but I need to organise them into folders if its possible if anyone here can help or knows of a easy to use mail programme that would allow this I would be most greatful

[emfrat]

I am staying away from Win10...but a google on Win 10 email folders produced this, which might help.

http://www.windows10forums.com/threads/ ... mail.1076/

[dnkiwi]

thanks for the link it worked a treat and I now have my emails back working as they should

[omitchell]

... I quit Windows10!!

[Ian Warren]

:swear: ... I quit Windows10!!

Is that for real or just another gimmick on screen joke ?

[omitchell]

I quit for real. but I'm not inbred enough to put a hammer through my screen

[toprob]

I've just managed to install 10 on my tablet, so far absolutely thrilled. I may change my mind about putting it on the PC, I was going to leave it at 8.1, but the improvements are so obvious that I'll take the risk.

[omitchell]

I've just had too many problems to continue with it.

[emfrat]

thanks for the link it worked a treat and I now have my emails back working as they should

Always nice to have a win

[Agent X20]

Ok, regarding Windows 10... I'm out, and back to Windows 7. Thankfully there's a quick recovery mode (if installed < 1 month ago after which it removes the backup)

In short:
- My system wouldn't reliably shutdown, or sleep, or stay in sleep mode
- I had various startup errors from some drivers
- The interface is crude looking and inconsistent
- FSX SE had some crashes, on ending flights. It also got initially confused on what screen was what and the res, and nvidia inspector lost its settings.

Win 10 was fast to boot, and the apps/games I tried worked. It was tempting to stay on 10 but the prospect of a long flight followed by a crash didn't appeal. I'm back in Windows 7 and frankly I'm breathing a sigh of relief. I have way way too much stuff installed to be worried about unreliability and risk needing to reinstall everything.

Additional Win 10 notes:
- apps weren't responding during the install and ongoing patching. This made it feel like it was repeatedly locking up or that something was badly wrong.
- it didn't appear to be properly downloading updates after the initial install - stalling on 0% for a considerable time
- it failed to install an nvidia driver at all (really) leaving me on a generic desktop driver
- it would throw "unable to load crash dump" errors in the system log when I tried to sleep the machine - that seemed impossible to diagnose
- there's a 1GB day one patch on top of the 4GB ISO

Honestly, it feels like it needed another few months in the slow-cooker.

[omitchell]

Additional Win 10 notes:
- apps weren't responding during the install and ongoing patching. This made it feel like it was repeatedly locking up or that something was badly wrong.
- it didn't appear to be properly downloading updates after the initial install - stalling on 0% for a considerable time
- it failed to install an nvidia driver at all (really) leaving me on a generic desktop driver
- it would throw "unable to load crash dump" errors in the system log when I tried to sleep the machine - that seemed impossible to diagnose
- there's a 1GB day one patch on top of the 4GB ISO

Honestly, it feels like it needed another few months in the slow-cooker.

Yeah it isn't ready and they haven't given other developers long enough to get their stuff compatible, esp nVidia. At least it didn't take up your entire OS drive by writing a 390Gb pagefile, I was not amused when I saw that. The constantly resetting my permissions to Win10 default was also especially annoying. Apparently I needed Admin rights to save an image to my Pictures folder, WTH??? Not to mention Steam was broken, I couldn't play anything.

[toprob]

Ok, regarding Windows 10... I'm out, and back to Windows 7. Thankfully there's a quick recovery mode (if installed < 1 month ago after which it removes the backup)

I was going to ask about the roll-back, I think I'm gonna try it on my work PC, if roll-back is quick and reliable.

On the little tablet (HP Stream 8) it is great, but I did do a factory-reset beforehand, as I tend not to keep much of importance on the tablet -- it's just for TV, videos and music, really, with just enough software to keep the business running if I'm away from home. I removed the 8.1 backup, as the tablet only has 28GB, and after the install I was left with 5GB, so I was keen to recover anything I could find.

I used the Media Creation Tool, which didn't work directly, and my tablet would need some extra bits (OTG cable, powered USB hub etc) to use an external drive, so I used the MCT to make an install 'USB' drive on the SD card inside the tablet -- not the most elegant solution, but it worked great.

I love the new 'tablet' mode, but it doesn't work with everything -- for example, the on-screen keyboard won't always activate with desktop apps, like Firefox, in tablet mode, so I have to remember the switch to desktop mode. Luckily it's just a toggle button. I just have to remember which mode I'm in, and switch to do various tasks. On 8.1 you don't get to choose, Win 8 apps run is a sort of tablet mode, and everything else runs in desktop mode. I like the chunkier buttons in tablet mode, for big fat fingers, so some desktop apps are better in tablet mode.

No real problems, I did think a few things were flakey or didn't work at all, but these were all down to being in the wrong mode, once I got used to how it worked, it made more sense. I guess that over time we'll see more and more apps designed for touch, so this will be less of a problem in the future. To illustrate the sort of difference the mode can make, tablet mode doesn't give any app or desktop application a 'close' button, whereas desktop mode does. To close anything in tablet mode, you use the normal 8.1 swipe-down. So with 8.1 it was always obvious what was a desktop app, and what was a modern app, so I didn't need to figure out how to close anything. Now, though, I can sometimes get it wrong, trying to swipe to close, or looking for an X which isn't there...

Some interesting quirks, though -- but first I'll quickly mention the buggy apps when you first install -- the plan seems to be to leave it alone to allow everything to install and update, before trying out the apps. This prevents the frustration of things appearing not to work until they are fully installed. I spent the first couple of hours installing normal desktop apps, and didn't touch the Win 10 apps till today.

I've only installed the basics -- Firefox, as it has that cool sync feature, so I don't have to reenter login details for every site, and DVBViewer, which acts as a client for the PC's DVB-T server, so I can watch TV in bed:) However today I've been adding a few scenery development applications, just to test them out, including GMAX, which is a very old program now, but still important to my work, so I wanted to test it out before thinking about upgrading the work PC. Luckily everything works so far, although the mouse and keyboard-sharing program, sharemouse, is quite flakey, but I think that once again this is down to the mixed modes. I generally don't have to use this little beauty often, but it is useful for testing desktop apps on the tablet.

With 8.1 I could really only watch the standard res TV channels on the tablet, the high def ones (One, TV2, TV3) would lose sound sync, but so far with 10 it runs perfectly on all channels -- except that you can't switch to another apps during the ad breaks, and expect to go back to a perfect HD stream:) It is a 1GB ram system after all.

The Edge browser is the weak link at the moment, but this should get better over time. When it works, it works great, but there is a decidedly annoying lack of feedback on what's it's doing -- it can appear to be stuck, with nothing to show if something is still loading, and then a page will just appear. It does have some nice features though -- the post I made this earlier was all written using the onscreen keyboard, in Edge, in tablet mode, so it allows me to use the inbuilt dictionary suggestions -- basically I just type one or two letters for each word, and Windows gives a row of suggestions to enter at a touch, the first one is normally what I want, as if it can read my mind....

I normally use the native Win 8 VLC app for video streaming on the tablet, but so far the built-in Film and TV app handles everything great. Once I remembered how to share all my PC's music collection with the tablet, I was able to use the new music app, Groove, stupid name. That's the thing I like about Win 10 on the tablet, the built-in apps are useful enough to mean that I don't need third-party apps to do most things.

I understand that installing it on an almost default tablet is a lot different than a proper desktop PC with plenty of software installed, so I can't really judge how successful an upgrade would be for others. I was going to upgrade my flatmate's old Win 7 desktop, but I won't be doing this now. Not because I think there's anything wrong with 10, it's just that my flatmate is in her 70s, and I do think that the new look is so different from 7 that she won't like the switch. On the other hand, I was going to leave my PC with 8.1, but I'm keen enough now to upgrade it, on the condition that I can roll it back if something doesn't work well.

[cowpatz]

At the moment I just have Win 10 on my laptop. It is an old laptop but Win 10 seems to be playing nicely. No real glitches.
Navigating around is awkward but really that is more about me becoming accustomed to the change.
I have Win 7 on my desktop but and it will remain that way for a while yet until I'm satisfied with W10 on the laptop and any user identified issues corrected.

Owen how did you install W10? ISO or update?

[Agent X20]

I used the ISO - although Win 7 refused to burn a CD throwing evil errors (lots have had this problem).

Just a note on the Win 10 rollback to your previous OS. Anything you do in Win 10 will be lost, and any app updates, uninstalls etc will likely cause problems in your old OS, requiring some things be uninstalled, reinstalled, re-updated etc.

[toprob]

Navigating around is awkward but really that is more about me becoming accustomed to the change.

This is a major point, this is one of the issues with upgrading as opposed to getting a new OS with a new system, which is my normal way. We have already set things up the way we want, and now we need to do it again, while learning the new navigation techniques. I've learnt from past OS changes though that a lot of these new ways of doing things are worth learning, you just need to go through the process.

I did discover that most of my issues with dual modes can be fixed by changing some settings. I'm also taking into consideration the fact that if I decide to upgrade the PC, I won't have the need for tablet mode. I've always been a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, but of course the tablet doesn't have a keyboard, so I've had to learn other ways of doing most things.

X20 -- thanks for the note about the roll-back, that makes sense and I'll take it into account.

[omitchell]

Owen how did you install W10? ISO or update?

ISO first, that was really borked so I dropped 7 on and updated

[cowpatz]

ISO to a different drive or partition?
I had trouble with one of the ISO's I downloaded. Worked Ok the second time.
I installed it to a new bootable partition and have a dual boot system still in place....... just in case.....but it is Vista and I dont know what's worse....well actually I do...

[Ian Warren]

.....but it is Vista and I dont know what's worse....well actually I do...

Almost add water and see how it works ... I recall food brand name like that 'Vista' .. sound the OSs are a little like the Chow Mien dish that was once packaged.

[Splitpin]

I really wish i knew what your all talking about .... i also really wish i could fly for more than 5 minutes in Win8.