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Postby Splitpin » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:33 pm

Just watched a QANTAS 747-400 divert into chc (via flightradar) wonder what that's about ?
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Re: Divert

Postby NZ255 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:39 pm

where to/from
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Re: Divert

Postby emfrat » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:56 pm

Santiago - Sydney. Seems to have spent a lot of time down at FL290...so maybe unseasonable headwinds making fuel marginal?
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Re: Divert

Postby Ian Warren » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:29 am

Were the hell is an aircraft carrier when ya need one !
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Re: Divert

Postby Lindstrim » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:19 pm

Fuel stop due weather at SYD
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Re: Divert

Postby emfrat » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:23 pm

Lindstrim wrote:Fuel stop due weather at SYD


There you go, Marty - the real gen...
Wonder if they made enuff on the exchange rate to cover the cost of the stop? :twisted:
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Re: Divert

Postby Ian Warren » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:03 am

They do it all the time around CHCH these days ... they can't figure weather they are coming or going !
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Re: Divert

Postby JoeM » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:13 am

As far as I understand it (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong)! Christchurch is a tech stop for the SCL-SYD route - in essence, this allows Qantas to leave Santiago with only the bare minimum required fuel (often less than is actually calculated as required to make it to Sydney safely), and employ tactics such as step climbs, finding tailwinds/lesser headwinds and the general lightening of the aircraft due fuel burn to use less than planned, and end up with a build up of unused fuel.

Somewhere out off the coast of the South Island on the track thru to SYD, they have their Diversion Decision Point (DDP) where they make a final decision as to whether or not what fuel they have accumulated is enough to now meet the FUEL REQ. (required) figure to the destination.

So, on Thursday, with the inclement weather in Sydney, there would have most likely been an extra requirement for holding in place (due to the backlog of traffic trying to get in). This would have taken the FUEL REQ. above the remaining quantity in the tanks - hence the lob into Christchurch to pick up some Jet A1 :)

Why do they use this procedure in the first place? Well, if they were to put the required amount in to ensure there was enough fuel in the tanks to reach SYD, the service would be uneconomical as they would be unable to carry any real payload of Pax/Cargo with the sheer weight of fuel on board.

Hopefully this clears up why they dropped in? And if someone with more practical experience wants to correct me, please do so! Qantas 28 sure did look spectacular on approach Thursday evening in the sunset light as I was driving back South :)
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Re: Divert

Postby Ian Warren » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:56 pm

Hey yo Joe , thanks for the info , I do see them regular on specific days when looking up as we all do .
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Re: Divert

Postby emfrat » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:18 pm

Thanks Joe, that makes perfect sense...the wind patterns showing on earth.null would have been very unhelpful in any case. There was a strong easterly flow, about as wide as NZ is long, almost from The Chathams right to Valparaiso.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wi ... -34.12,640
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Re: Divert

Postby Splitpin » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:44 pm

Lindstrim wrote:Fuel stop due weather at SYD


Thanks for that Lindstrim .
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Re: Divert

Postby Ian Warren » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:49 am

After all the compared to the Atlantic which is considered a mill pond to the Pacific , Spose you could level out a good runway at Pitcairn Island maybe build a holiday resort.
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Re: Divert

Postby NZ255 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:42 pm

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Re: Divert

Postby Ian Warren » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:10 pm

Would have good to a 'Q' 747 back in Christchurch ..
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Re: Divert

Postby Splitpin » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:06 pm



Great shots ..... there must be some 24/7 spotters out there.
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