Cops driving badley

[Splitpin]

I have mentioned this before ... but i saw it AGAIN tonight.
Rush hour traffic , Major city intersection ... a police dog wagon with all the bells and whistles going, crossed the center line and accelerated into on coming traffic and through a red light.
This moron just missed a bus , and caused chaos .
There is no way that idiot could have stopped if a kid on a bike crossed in front , or an old person was on the crossing .
Anyway i got his rego , as did 2 other motorists and we WILL be making a complaint.
I know , we all want them there asap .... but are they above the law? I dont think so ...and this dick head should lose his licence.
I imagine the complaint will fall on deaf ears but its worth a try .... I have no time for these gungho twats .... and this guy is just that ... a !

[Fozzer]

They are above the Law, Marty....

Their; "Book of Rules", tells them so...

..apparently... ...!

I keep well away from "Cops"!.... ...!

They are very scary when their adrenalin is in full flow... ...!

I watch their antics on CBS Television...>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Ten_7 .... ...!

http://www.cbsreality.tv/eu/shows.php?t ... lice+Ten+7

Paul.... ...!

[Ian Warren]

I look at it this way from the opposite direction , I'm the one getting attacked .. If there is haste and what appears mayhem , it is serious , IF YOUR on the receiving end of a convict , DAMN THE ROADS AND TRAFFIC ! get here bloody quick !

[Ian Warren]

Something I added to my telephone call to the Police , "I want a weapon inside, what sort of gun am I aloud" .... basically we will give you a "ghost gun and ghost bullets because you are DEAD !" .... they tell ya to get on ya cellphone or text .... .... I don't own a ipad/cellphone ... I you have a weapon inside your own house you own there should be no reason to pop the ... ...... , and if it moves pop it again ... all this 'godboy shite' saying "violence creates Violence" .. same can be said for being soft-cock and letting it go ... POLICE , they have a real shite job but if the driving appears to be over the top ... IT IS FOR A REASON .

[BruceR]

Police are not above the law. They must comply like everyone else. In an emergency they are permitted to do some things the public are not permitted to do. If we look at the incident that has been explained above the officer is entitled to go through the intersection, but with certain proviso. I quote clauses 11.18 and 11.19 of the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004;

“A driver of an emergency vehicle that is displaying a blue or red beacon or blue and red beacons, or sounding a siren, must be regarded as having complied sufficiently with clauses 3.1 to 3.4 and 3.6 if the driver reduces speed so as not to exceed 20 km per hour and then proceeds, taking due care to avoid collision with pedestrians and other traffic”.

“Despite clauses 4.1 to 4.3, 4.5 and 4.6, a driver of an emergency vehicle that is displaying a blue or red beacon or blue and red beacons, or sounding a siren, may enter and cross an intersection at a speed not exceeding 20 km per hour, taking due care to avoid a collision with other traffic”.

It does sound as if there was some sort of emergency, but of course every driver of the emergency vehicle is responsible for their actions if they don’t comply with the law or cause an accident. If a member of the public is not happy with the actions of a driver of an emergency vehicle, be it police, ambulance or fire, they are entitled to make a complaint. In this case there are two options;

1. Go to your local police station and make a complaint. Be prepared to make a signed statement, and give details of other witnesses if able. In any complaint regarding the behaviour of a police officer, the police are obliged to notify the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA). The authority will notify the complainant when they have received the complaint in due course.
2. Complain directly to the IPCA. The complaint can be made on line if you go to their web site.

In both the options the police will be required to do the investigation. It will be done by a senior police officer who will require a signed statement at a later date. The completed investigation will be over-viewed by the IPCA who will or won’t agree with any final recommendations.

My recommendation is; don’t sit there fuming and writing about it – do something.

Bruce R

[Ian Warren]

My recommendation is; don’t sit there fuming and writing about it – do something.

Never had a worry .. some people should not be on the roads ... fact is with Me and my circumstances the POLICE were more than welcome here after some daft ass'ed dipstick decided to put CONVICTS next-door, If the police are in a rush its for a bloody GOOD reason .. I did not fume about the CONVICTS .. my MISSION was to get them out, seriously I could have run a Donut shop from my door, on the phone almost every second day , they were here in a flash .. this lasted two years .... just to let you know .... I was told three of three of them all between the seven/eight were the worst off the worst ... Told by the POLICE that what was next was the worst. ..... GIVE THE POLICE GUNS ... Ooo and I want one to.

[Splitpin]

"My recommendation is; don’t sit there fuming and writing about it – do something."
I have Bruce ... thanks for the reply.
Will continue the process on Monday , Im not letting this one rest ..... and , as i said , i understand urgency ..... but this was blatant disregard for the law (traffic) .
There was , in my consideration , NO thought for public safety ..... a total fail on behalf of the NZ Police , with consequences that i cant bare thinking about given the time of day and location.

[Ian Warren]

There was , in my consideration , NO thought for public safety ..... a total fail on behalf of the NZ Police , with consequences that i cant bare thinking about given the time of day and location.

Public safety has to go out the window - take a back seat, wait till your on they are directly in your face ... not allowed a gun ... no weapon at all yet these people will kill you quicker than road traffic , that is what they aim for.

[BruceR]

Ian

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say there. Public safety ‘never’ goes out the window in any incident. For example, take vehicle pursuits. If there is the slightest danger to the public as a result of the pursuit, the pursuit is immediately called off. As for guns – the front line police do have access to guns. An incident patrol car (I-car) usually contains a gun safe where there will be a Glock 17 round pistol and a Bushmaster rifle. These weapons will not come out unless there is serious risk to the public or the officers own life. On top of that, front line police carry a personal Taser and also OC spray.

While it’s easy for us couch potatoes to condemn the police dog handler in the case Splitpin has outlined, we don’t know any of the details of the incident he/she was traveling to. Let’s say, for example, Dad had come home drunk, had an axe and was beating up Mum and the kids. Police have a duty to respond urgently. It may result in some ‘urgent police driving’, although the clauses that I have previously quoted should be complied with and no member of the public put at risk. In such a case the officer is still responsible for his/her driving actions if they get out of hand, or things go wrong.

On the other hand, a duck may have been crossing the road and risked being skittled. The officer would not have been entitled to engage in ‘urgent police driving’ and any complaint would surely be upheld.

Fozzer

You’re wrong. Their “Book of Rules”, called General Instructions, says the complete opposite. It’s in line with the law and in line with what I have been saying above. I’m not sure why you would want to keep away from the police as they are there to help you and assist you if need be. The only time you would want to keep away from them is if you have something to hide! The only thing I do agree with you though is the adrenaline does flow in serious incidents. It may well cause a member of the public to take some unjustified risks, but a police officer should be trained to stay calm and keep their wits about them in any incident.

In the incident Splitpin witnessed we shouldn’t be “too” critical of the officer’s driving until we know the circumstances of the incident he/she was attending. We won’t know that until several months down the track. I hope Splitpin keeps us up to date.


Bruce R

[Ian Warren]

Ian
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say there. Public safety ‘never’ goes out the window in any incident. For example, take vehicle pursuits. If there is the slightest danger to the public as a result of the pursuit, the pursuit is immediately called off. As for guns – the front line police do have access to guns. An incident patrol car (I-car) usually contains a gun safe where there will be a Glock 17 round pistol and a Bushmaster rifle. These weapons will not come out unless there is serious risk to the public or the officers own life. On top of that, front line police carry a personal Taser and also OC spray.

Bruce , I had enough and thought I got away from CONVICTS , my early years the many things went to hell ... back then the only people I had to turn to was the Police , then it happened again , early twenty's entire wall ripped out of my flat , the very same Policeman recognized me with the because of my interests , 90% of them were destroyed .. most all items stolen , music system and the music .. books and what they could not take they jumped on it ! and destroyed it !

While it’s easy for us couch potatoes to condemn the police dog handler in the case Splitpin has outlined, we don’t know any of the details of the incident he/she was traveling to.

I'm not a couch spud .. when the shite hits the fan or someone is in dire need of help I'm in and with the Police in behind , 4.00AM one morning (this only recent) I because I was so on edge because off these CONVICTS I was up and about and help the "police dog handler" explain my place and how these scum would find a way out , had all external lights on.

If a Police car is on the move ... one has to NOT forget you also have to think about maybe the 30% off people on the road who have no spacial reference or awareness to what is going on around them ... Sirens blurring and lights flashing ... COPS driving badly is 70% because those 30%.

[Ian Warren]

Bruce , with me, I'm willing to do anything for anybody within my limitations , when it comes down to people Stealing from me , Threatening me or just recent even a girl getting thrown from a car in a driveway I'm in, and with the Police called and are on there way better get here QUICK! .

[BruceR]

Splitpin - It's been a year since the incident. Do you wish to share the outcome with us?

Bruce R

[Splitpin]

Deaf ears Bruce ... nothing.
To be honest , life got in the way over the last year , and this incident seemed to slip down the priority ladder.
But thank you for reminding me ... but ... nothing.

[Ian Warren]

My Old saying , 'WAIT TILL YOUR THE VICTIM' and it is not a 'saying' .. If in the busy hour , let the "Convict" STEAL , ATTACK or KILL' and we will shrug our shoulders ... ( Slap ya cheeks and say "that should not happen" ) , if the hurry looked dangerous ... again wait till your on the receiving end ! ...

[Fozzer]

We used to have Coppers, ex-Coppers, retired Coppers, and Copper-enthusiasts on some of our Forums....

We mostly tried to avoid them!... ...!

...a strange breed... ...!

Paul.... ... ... ...!

[BruceR]

An odd comment Fozzer. Just in case you may have suspected, I'm a retired copper. I spent 42 years in the NZ police and retired a couple of years ago. I've done a large number of internal investigations and investigations on behalf of the Independent Police Conduct Authority, hence my interest in the incident. No need to avoid me because of my past career as I don't see myself falling into the "strange breed" category.

Cheers


Bruce R

[Ian Warren]

I'm a retired copper. I spent 42 years in the NZ police and retired a couple of years ago. I've done a large number of internal investigations and investigations on behalf of the Independent Police Conduct Authority, hence my interest in

Pleased I said all the right things then "Poster Boy Image Ian for the Police" I could almost do a community service advert for the TV

[Fozzer]

...talking about Cops.... .... ....

The other side of the fence.

...one of my Motorcycle Buddies on You-Tube; a California San Diego, ex- Police Officer, who was invalided out as victim of a shooting incident involving the Police and a typical California toe-rag Criminal, of which there are many, of all races, in the USA.

Robert Robb:

This is his story...

...most of which I totally agree...>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wCbu1_RyA

I receive daily e-mail news from all around the USA, and having spent some 18+years daily touring the country in my various Flight Sims and admiring the wonderful scenery and studying the place in great detail, I would be fearful of actually encountering many of the folks who live there!

The American Constitution still encourages a Wild West lifestyle for most of the occupants, even in this 21st Century!

Its still Cops Versus Robbers shoot-out on a daily basis!

Robert explains it in his excellent video as he Motorcycles to work each day on his Harley Davidson 72 Sportster motorcycle!

See what you think!

Paul...Honda Rebel Cruiser Motorcycle..... ...!

[Ian Warren]

Great Video Paul, Roberts Rant ! straight down the line and exactly it