FSX SE

[Pato]

After some thoughts I decided to stay with Steam. I was unaware that you don't actually get a copy of FSX SE that can be used without using Steam. I guess you only really hire it.

Having said that I am now wondering if the software I was able to use with FSX Gold, will also work with FSX SE. It also appears to me that it would be better to buy add-ons other that from

Steam, because at least you retain the software. Anyone else using Steam that might like to comment please.?

[toprob]

I've used Steam for a while, although not FSX-se. I guess you are talking about archiving installers etc, as if you buy something on steam you'll always have it -- it just relies more on the Cloud, though, which I don't see as a bad thing. When I got my last computer, all I had to do was to install Steam, and then it went ahead and installed all my Steam games with almost no effort from me. Sure, it takes time and bandwidth, but these days that's less of a problem.
In a way, I think that Steam is safer than any other software download, which you need to keep safe over time, and hope that it'll work ok when you reinstall down the track. Not always the case for someone like me.
Installing third-party addons into FSX-se is a bit fiddly in some respects, unless you have an installer which specifically supports se. For others, it depends on whether you've had FSX boxed installed before, as the se installer will install itself to emulate a normal FSX installation on a 'clean' system, otherwise it'll change some locations which can make it tricky for addon installers to find it. I guess a good migration tool would be a good solution here, but I don't use one.
Buying addons outside Steam is probably a good idea, just in case you want to put them in something else, such as Prepar3d. However if you plan to stick with Steam, then consider the simplicity of a Steam install.

[Pato]

Thanks. I appreciate your comments which are most helpful. I must admit I was having some trouble coming to terms with how Steam works. I am really only interested in using FSX in Steam.

I haven't installed any software yet. I was going to install "Real NZ Marlborough" and similar software, but will that present some problems. Perhaps it would be easier to ask what programs that I had

installed in FSX may be difficult to install in FSX SE. I have been away from Flight Sim for a while and it's like starting all over again. If I am going to have too many problems I will just go back to FSX Gold.

[toprob]

Ok, looking at Real NZ Marlborough specifically, and other older scenery which came out long before FSX Steam was a mere wisp, this is going to depend on whether or not you have a 'clean' system. That means that you haven't had FSX installed before on this system. If you have, then the Real NZ installer will probably find the registry entry for old FSX, and won't see FSX-se.

I did mention a migration tool, this is well-worth looking at, although you pay for it. This simply fools your system into thinking that any sim is any other sim, and then puts things back the way they were when the installation is finished.

[Ian Warren]

After some thoughts I decided to stay with Steam. I was unaware that you don't actually get a copy of FSX SE that can be used without using Steam. I guess you only really hire it

End of the Day, after looking at P3D for the first time the change is huge, Greg stopped in here today, we were comparing the difference and what, how the sims work with FPS and display ... I'm still quietly adding things ... I still have FSX SE but I think will be retired before getting introduced onto my PC.

[Pato]

Ok, looking at Real NZ Marlborough specifically, and other older scenery which came out long before FSX Steam was a mere wisp, this is going to depend on whether or not you have a 'clean' system. That means that you haven't had FSX installed before on this system. If you have, then the Real NZ installer will probably find the registry entry for old FSX, and won't see FSX-se.

I did mention a migration tool, this is well-worth looking at, although you pay for it. This simply fools your system into thinking that any sim is any other sim, and then puts things back the way they were when the installation is finished.

I did install FSX Gold on my C:\ but I couldn't activate Acceleration so didn't proceed. I have Steam installed on my E:\ so I may not have any problems.?
The migration tool sounds interesting and I will look at that if necessary.

[Pato]

After some thoughts I decided to stay with Steam. I was unaware that you don't actually get a copy of FSX SE that can be used without using Steam. I guess you only really hire it

End of the Day, after looking at P3D for the first time the change is huge, Greg stopped in here today, we were comparing the difference and what, how the sims work with FPS and display ... I'm still quietly adding things ... I still have FSX SE but I think will be retired before getting introduced onto my PC.

I hadn't even thought about P3D. Stop confusing me LOL.

[Ian Warren]

Pato , I was so lucky to score a copy of P3D from "Dynamic Duo" Greg and Marty, I'm still learning that .. I think looking at it more and more from one who was a real late comer it really is the direction to Flight Simulation, whole new interface but still very old Flight Sim making it easier.

[toprob]

[quote="Pato]I did install FSX Gold on my C:\ but I couldn't activate Acceleration so didn't proceed. I have Steam installed on my E:\ so I may not have any problems.?
The migration tool sounds interesting and I will look at that if necessary.[/quote]

You will have problems, then, as a lot of addon installers -- including mine -- look at the Registry for the FSX location, so if you have installed FSX already, the registry entry will point to that, and FSX-se will create its own registry entry which my installers won't find unless they know where to look -- only the Subscription and Nelson currently have multi-installers which include specific FSX-se support.

[Pato]

What if I completely uninstalled FSX from the C drive?.

[Ian Warren]

What if I completely uninstalled FSX from the C drive?.

It depends on how many HDs you have, my C drive is the OP's and hardware and FSX is on the G drive and P3D on its own HD , they are not partitions but separate HDs, it may be well worth trying to put FS on one of your other HD's.

[toprob]

What if I completely uninstalled FSX from the C drive?.

I didn't mention uninstalling, as I'm not entirely sure that it is the whole answer -- I've heard that some people have had trouble getting things to a state where FSX-se doesn't jump at the ghost of an old FSX. And of course you'd need to do the same with FSX-se if you have already installed it, to get it into the right place.

Still, worth a crack... Maybe Ccleaner would be useful here, try the free version and see if it can make the old FSX disappear.

EDIT: to clarify, it isn't the actual installation of FSX that causes the issues, it's the registry entries.

[Pato]

What if I completely uninstalled FSX from the C drive?.

I didn't mention uninstalling, as I'm not entirely sure that it is the whole answer -- I've heard that some people have had trouble getting things to a state where FSX-se doesn't jump at the ghost of an old FSX. And of course you'd need to do the same with FSX-se if you have already installed it, to get it into the right place.

Still, worth a crack... Maybe Ccleaner would be useful here, try the free version and see if it can make the old FSX disappear.

EDIT: to clarify, it isn't the actual installation of FSX that causes the issues, it's the registry entries.

I thought that removing FSX Gold from my C drive would remove the registry entries. You have given me a lot of useful information which is appreciated.

[toprob]

That's the thing, I'm not sure that it wouldn't work just uninstalling, but I have heard stories of people still having issues after an uninstall. So you can only try and see what happens.
As I said, there's always the option to use Ccleaner, which I wouldn't use generally, but it is very good at doing fiddly little clean-ups like this.

[Ian Warren]

Have my experience from this last month, the OS simply died , that is one sure way of cleaning your primary HD of registration issues, reformat the HD.

[Pato]

That's the thing, I'm not sure that it wouldn't work just uninstalling, but I have heard stories of people still having issues after an uninstall. So you can only try and see what happens.
As I said, there's always the option to use Ccleaner, which I wouldn't use generally, but it is very good at doing fiddly little clean-ups like this.

I have used CCleaner for years, but I would uninstall it using Revo Uninstaller which would clean out the Registry. Am I correct in assuming that I will not be able to run any of my old NZ Scenery in FSX SE. I have heaps of Laurie Roach scenery which I guess will not run either. I know you don't use Steam for FSX, and this may be hard to answer, but where could I go for NZ scenery to run there, as I like to do my flying at home. I even miss my Paraparaumu scenery. I may have to ditch Steam.

[Ian Warren]

I was lucky to be gifted P3D over the last month, one thing I have picked up on frame rates increased so much but also all the photo real just plops into place without any effort at all !

[Pato]

I was lucky to be gifted P3D over the last month, one thing I have picked up on frame rates increased so much but also all the photo real just plops into place without any effort at all !

What NZ Scenery etc is available for P3D. Can you trial it.?

[Ian Warren]

Everything from Real New Zealand / Godzone to the my and Doug photo real scenery done here is all works, but still installing , no ORBX yet , I want to see VLC, another reason for that is other design areas coming into play were I need correct elevations , I don't touch Lawrie Roach scenery so I don't know how that works.

[bobby48w]

That's the thing, I'm not sure that it wouldn't work just uninstalling, but I have heard stories of people still having issues after an uninstall. So you can only try and see what happens.
As I said, there's always the option to use Ccleaner, which I wouldn't use generally, but it is very good at doing fiddly little clean-ups like this.

I have used CCleaner for years, but I would uninstall it using Revo Uninstaller which would clean out the Registry. Am I correct in assuming that I will not be able to run any of my old NZ Scenery in FSX SE. I have heaps of Laurie Roach scenery which I guess will not run either. I know you don't use Steam for FSX, and this may be hard to answer, but where could I go for NZ scenery to run there, as I like to do my flying at home. I even miss my Paraparaumu scenery. I may have to ditch Steam.

I have FSX installed on my C Drive SSD and FSX Steam Edition on my WD Elements Portable Hard Drive .You shouldn`t have to ditch Steam. I have had no problems installing add on Sceneries , Including VLC , All Real NZ Scenery & Laurie`s Scenery on the PHD. When installing Real NZ (self installing) you are given the option of browsing to the drive where your FSX Steam is located. Laurie`s Scenery you just install into your FSX Steam Add On Scenery Folder and Library in the same manner as you do with your FSX . Trust this may help you.