Air New Zealand DC-8 Project

[Splitpin]

"And "THANKS" for your appreciation of what Tony, and I, and all the team at HJG, try to do "SPLITPIN"."

No problem at all, Thank you.

You guys are a very underrated source of sim material and information.
As I said, I have all your DC-8 models and all the Military 707 variants, the 727's ... and more.

Wonderful stuff indeed.

[Ian Warren]

It is a good history list and follow for the real newbie's , many people do not follow the aircraft history once they offshore so is a great insight.

[aerofoto]

I've always like to combine real world history with FS (i.e. compile the facts supported with FS imagery in the absence of historic imagery) .... and have compiled a number of articles already using this concept

Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO
HJG
simviation.com/hjg

[Ian Warren]

Following that view , one of the crazy thing today with a change in landscape .. not so much the buildings is also the tree lines and compare to early photos in the history books, one can hardly recognize the early city to what it is today even with our own eyeballs.

[aerofoto]

As I said, I have all your DC-8 models and all the Military 707 variants, the 727's ... and more.

"SPLITPIN" .... in the case of the HJG DC-8 flightline ....

We upgraded these during March of last year .... and also vastly expanded our line to cover "the entire DC-8 family" at the same time also (simulated weight and engine thrust, as well as adjustment/s to certain drag related parameters also, being the primary factors which dictate the new and improved DC-8 performances within FS). I just want to say be sure you're using the current "V5.4" HJG DC-8 base packs (the version number is stated within a header at the top of each CFG file). If you're not sure which version you have .... then .... replace "the lot" .... and add your current textures to these new base packs. Our DC-8 soundpacks are "COMPLETELY NEW" also .... released during March/April of last year. These soundpacks are now available as separate FS2004 and FSX versions .... and are the "real McKOY" having each been recorded from real world data. We've also fine-tuned a couple of gauge placements within each of our DC-8-10/20/30/40/50 panels also. You can read about all of this per the following HJG DC-8 manual ....
http://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/threa ... ling-notes
All technical queries to the HJG forum though please


In the case of the HJG B727 flightline .... and I hasten to add what I'm about to communicate relates to the "B727-200's ONLY" at this stage ....

We upgraded and similarly expanded our B727-200 inventory with "NEW" 3D models and FDE during October 2015 .... also adding a couple of "NEW" panels .... AND .... releasing "BRAND NEW", and separate, customized (from real world recordings) soundpacks for FS2004 and FSX too. The new B727-200 base packs and FDE are each branded "V2.0" (most conspicuously identified per the header within the top of each CFG file). Again .... and for best enjoyment .... make sure you're using these latest files. One "CAUTION" I do need to draw everyones attention too though is in regard to the new 3D model names .... versus the MODEL= data line stated within the ADD TO AIRCRAFT data for each/most B727-200 texture files. Each base pack containes new models and FDE .... as stated above .... BUT .... by the time we employed these new models the existent HJG B727-200 texture inventory was far too large for us be able to edit the MODEL= data line for each individual texture (all of our B727-100's are as yet "totally unaffected" by this minor imposition .... new models for these have been compiled also but have yet to be uploaded) and then reupload the whole lot, so, as stated within the new installation instructions, which accompany each texture, everyone needs to "manually edit" the MODEL= data line with the name of a particular model folder from each base pack. This's an unavoidable imposition .... under the circumstances (and which does trap those whom don't read the instructions and manual) .... but .... HJG's just a very small group of volunteer FS enthusasts and with limited resources at its disposal. If you .... or anyone else .... get stuck .... or confused .... in regard to any of these installations .... THEN .... post, or drop me a PM at HJG and I'll try'n sort everything out for you. PLEASE NOTE THOUGH .... FS20o4 is muy particular specialty and not FSX. You can read about all of this per the following HJG B727 manual ....
http://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/threa ... ling-notes


In the case of the HJG B707/B720?and C135 SERIES flightline ....

We're currently fiddling with our FDE at the moment .... for the B707 and B720 .... in order to improve a few performance related characteristics (particularly in regard to approach to landing attitude with full flaps), but, progress is slow going .... whilst going .... due to other HJG project priorities at the moment. Here's a recent report I drafted in regard to what we're actually doing .... and intending to improve .... for our B707's and B720's .... but .... it'll be a while before these modifications are actually released though since each simulation has to be assessed, and adjusted, individually, to reflect the right performce ....
http://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/threa ... -on-moment

Hope you .... and everyone else .... finds these details interesting if not helpful too

Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO
HJG
simviation.com/hjg

[aerofoto]

compare to early photos in the history books, one can hardly recognize the early city to what it is today

Tom GIBSON offers a number of very good "classic/period sceneries for FS representig many airports from around the world .... and which more-or-less capture the essence of these ports in regard to how they looked during a specific chronological period.

Anyone interested should refer to the following liink from the TOM GIBSON CALIFORNIA CLASSICS website .... "recommended" (by me ) ) ....
http://www.calclassic.com/scenery.htm


TOM GIBSON CALIFORNIA CLASSICS (Home Page)
http://www.calclassic.com/


Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO
HJG
simviation.com/hjg

[Ian Warren]

Least you can add the old FS9/2004 Christchurch airport into the retro list , well almost , the airport has change so much now most parts are dead and buried .

[Splitpin]

Mark ...when you reply ...you really reply

I will upgrade everything, and also move back to 2004 to experience these as they where intended ... magic stuff.
Thanks again.

[aerofoto]

No worries "SPLITPIN" .... all part of the HJG service

No point in our upgrading anything if we're not prepared to promote it .... or to promote it if we're not prepared to support it .... and in supporting it we simply want people to "ENJOY" what we "FREELY" provide

Upgrade/Update your said HJG stock by all means.

Please familiarize yourself with at least SECTION 1 of the previously referenced (herein) online manuals .... not to mention the new installation instructions too .... "particularly in the case of the new V2.0 B727-200's" and for the reasons I've already stated.

If you do get stuck, or are confused, then seek me out at/on the HJG forum .... glad to "TRY" to be of assistance to you, or anyone else needing such, though "FS2004" is my own FS platform of specialty.

REMEMBER ... the new AIR NZ DC-8 textures (presented within this particular thread) are "not yet" released, but, can be obtained from me anyway

Most of, but, not all of, the AIR NZ DC-10 textures (presented within my other thread) are already downloadable from the HJG website .... and those that aren't already uploaded there are, once again, available directly from me if anyone wishes for them .... no problem at all

Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO
HJG
simviation.com/hjg

[Ian Warren]

Simply a pity photo real is not adaptable reverse build, it would be interesting to see the change if it was possible.

[aerofoto]

In respect of "photoreal" .... I presume you're meaning with reference to these AIR NZ DC-8 and DC-10 textures.

It would .... undoubtably .... result in even greater improvement.

Time, for me, is the problem though .... and the fact I'm not a/the FS graphics/texture artist .... just the "ideas/concept" person and history adviser, whom personally oversaw the production of each stage of these historic AIR NZ projects for FS .... assisted by my textures specialist "in Colombia"

Although not photoreal these new DC-8 textures are vastly superior to the currently downloadable versions of these already at HJG .... remember this projecy has yet to be released at HJG since we need to prioriize the new projects currently on-hand .... one of which (this next family of aircraft .... 4X PP on this thread) is scheduled for release within the next week or so/as soon as I can complete writing the panel manuals ....


"NEW HJG ARJ/BAe PROJECT (including panels)"
http://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/threa ... oming-2017

"NEW HJG ARJ/BAe SOUNDS PROJECT"
http://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/threa ... ional-jets


I would be prepared to consider tackling a photoreal update of these classic/historic AIR NZ subjects though .... in the future .... if a "competent photo real capable texture artist", with a bit of time up his sleeve, presented himself to me .... and we could then (perhaps) look at things from there

HJG .... to date .... has never taken on any photoreal type projects .... and least not during the 16 years during which I've been associated with the group.

Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO
HJG
simviation.com/hjg

[Ian Warren]

In respect of "photoreal" .... I presume you're meaning with reference to these AIR NZ DC-8 and DC-10 textures.

It was more for the photo scenery in FS9 currently look at the DC-8 and DC-10, they appear to be equal to anything done today, may photo real cockpit would be an idea if one had access to the aircraft.

[aerofoto]

The thing is though .... there's not a lot on them/DC-8 aircraft left around the world now .... and of those that remain far fewer can be accessed.

We/HJG were lucky to get the access we got around 2000 .... and "prior to" 9/11.

Also .... the FD of each successive version differs in it's instrument standard (one flavor "doesn't" fit all among these aircraft and which is, I feel, a major shortcoming of the payware alternative .... albeit as good as that pay actually "is") and which is why we, at HJG, offer separate DC-8 panels for each DC-8 version. Although some of the DC-8 series panels we offer may look similar/identical .... the type of instruments outfitted within some of these is "different" and/or is "calibrated differently" .... with our "new" FDE's also ensuring the desirable performance variations between each marque of these aircraft/simulations.

We/HJG "cannot" offer a VC .... that's just too big a task for us, but, the accompanying 2D panels are (really) more than sufficient for their purpose .... supported also by a full suite of good quality interior FD views also.

We'd also like to have been able to offer an F/E panel with some degree of functionality .... like that of of our much later compiled B707/720/C135 SERIES panels, but, this wasn't practical either.

JUST FLIGHT "do" offer a single DC-8 VC (and I think it may be photorealistic too) .... which I understand some folk have been able to adapt to the HJG DC-8's .... from what I've heard/seen .... but .... only in regard to FSX.

The HJG DC-8 panels are "FSX PORTABLE" .... but .... not FSX native.

Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO
HJG
simviation.com/hjg

[Ian Warren]

That is the thing is having access, the aircraft are now freighters would require someone who knows exactly what is required to get the photo but also it is the time to do it and make sure the photo's are properly focused. The JUSTFLIGHT DC-8 is not photo real which is a pity, course the gauges already done for that it would have great to go photo but again its that who do you find with a DC-8 handy or DC-10 come to think, It is fine with the museum aircraft we have here, MOTAT tho maybe a little difficult but again no DC's.

[aerofoto]

I'm going to try'n and get a mega-package of these historic AIR NZ DC-8 liveries uploaded ASAP .... for folk to access .... hopefully within the next few weeks and will advise, and provide a link here, once this's been achieved.

At the moment the AIR NZ DC-8 liveries available from the HJG website "ARE NOT" the new and updated/improved versions

Mark C
AKL/NZ & BOG/CO

[Ian Warren]

I do like the extra history following thru on the hulls course anything from Air Zealand was always snapped up double quick time.

[aerofoto]

I was planning on doing "just that" Ian (and for the Dc-10's as well) .... and may even do so yet/come back later and edit accordingly .... just a bit difficult in regards to time at the moment .... since HJG work does beckon

Mark C
AKL

[Ian Warren]

Always a master we have to follow, me its my cat FT.