3 from the 100 club

[Splitpin]

The only 3 I have ...would be nice if the warthunder gods took more notice of the Century series.

[simonh]

Those are all great shots. The F-100..is that a D or an F, if an F , then it could be a SEA based Wild Weasel 1.
The F-104C, as far as I know , was the variant to have the refueling probe. The SEA camouflage makes it look "slower".
The F-105 has the nickname Polish Glider..I believe the pilot's parents were Polish. The glider refers to its ability to glide..which wasn't all that great.

[Splitpin]

Cheers mate...the F-100 is an F, not a native WT Aircraft, so it took a few dollars to get it to this point, but worth it I think....and yes a "Weasel 1" it was....All done by F-16's now ?
Re the 105...correct on all counts....I think the real airframe is on display in a Polish museum.
And regarding the 104...ummm....another one in that group that I can't really warm up to. Bring on the Daggers, Darts, the Voodoo.

[simonh]

Indeed, the F-100F was Wild Weasel 1. Then it passed to F-105F's and finally , in my opinion , the ultimate Weasel , the F-4G Wild Weasel.
Yes, F-16s have taken over that role, but for a while the F-4G was the hunter\ killer.
When the F-16 was first put forward, it was noted that two aircraft would be needed..one the hunter, the other the killer.
Regarding the F-104C , they were basically used as point interceptors against the NVAF bomber threat that never happened. The type had a short career in the SEA theatre.

[Splitpin]

Well ...... can't add much more to that....thank you Sir.

[hasegawa]

The F100 was as unfortunate as the MiG 19 in climb performance and maneuverability and had an unpleasant accident rate. The Starfighter was the easiest plane to get. All you had to do was buy a piece of land big enough and wait for someone to fall on it and the F 105 Thunderchief was a lead sled.
I have no idea why everyone is so into this series of hundreds. The only aircraft in this series that was any good was the F-106 Delta Dart.

[chopper_nut]

The F100 was as unfortunate as the MiG 19 in climb performance and maneuverability and had an unpleasant accident rate. The Starfighter was the easiest plane to get. All you had to do was buy a piece of land big enough and wait for someone to fall on it and the F 105 Thunderchief was a lead sled.
I have no idea why everyone is so into this series of hundreds. The only aircraft in this series that was any good was the F-106 Delta Dart.

Are you serious? The F100 was a good aeroplane once the training improved and once they figured out the flying control system. The F104s high accident was really only true in Germany where they were trying to use it as a fighter bomber at low level in bad weather. The Canadians, Italians, Spanish, Dutch never had an abnormally high accident rate given the loss rate of other aeroplanes. The F105 crews wouldn't agree with your assessment. It was a sturdy, rugged aeroplane that brought crews home with battle damage that would've destroyed other aeroplanes.

Given the accident rate of military aeroplanes at the time, none of the century series aircraft were dangerous when operated properly.

[hasegawa]

Well, for us the F100 was as dangerous as the MiG 19 we had. Of the 24 we had, 11 were lost, so the procurement was canceled and switched to the MiG 21. The Federal Air Force lost 88 pilots, in F 04, although, and that's right, the accidents were fewer than the training was better.
The F-105D were replaced by the F-4 Phantom II and the F-111 Aardvark in 1970, but the F-105G "Wild Weasel" did not leave Southeast Asia until 1973. A total of 385 F-105s were lost in Vietnam: 312 were destroyed by anti-aircraft guns or -missiles shot down, 22 by MiG´s, 51 crashed in accidents. In total, Republic delivered 833 F-105s of all versions. Of these, 610 were the F-105D and 143 were the two-seat F-105F. n the case of the F-105D, i.e. the single-seater, half of the machines manufactured were brought down in Vietnam or crashing. She was undoubtedly fast once she freed herself from the bomb load on her wings, but her maneuverability and wing loading were horrors. She couldn't even allow herself to be caught near the ground by a MiG 17F, which was just an ancient subsonic machine from the same era as the Mystere IV and the Hawker Hunter. In 1986 I had the Vietnamese explain this to me in Vietnam. You should know that the Americans are only perfect at one thing: propaganda. We are currently experiencing it again.

[Charl]

Haha always good to hear another perspective.
But even you must agree there was nothing to touch a 327 cu. in. Chevy small block

[hasegawa]

It's okay. Carl, I don't want to cause stress and I don't want to have any stress.

[Bugdani]

I've always been impress by the 105 size !!!

[simonh]

Bugdani, because of it's size , the F-105 was commonly referred to as The One Man Air Force.

[hasegawa]

The term lead sled is more common. She was tired and underpowered in relation to the mass. Only one engine for this giant steamer made it vulnerable. Every useful fighter-bomber should have two engines so that you have something to limp home with if it makes an ugly rumble behind you. That still applies today. Boris Yeltsin was a pathetic hired clown. But he left one thing for Russian aviation. It is not for nothing that there are no single-engine fighters or fighter-bombers in the Russian Air Force. He banned it by decree after a series of crashes. Suddenly there were. MiG 21, 23, 27 retired overnight.

[chopper_nut]

Well, for us the F100 was as dangerous as the MiG 19 we had. Of the 24 we had, 11 were lost, so the procurement was canceled and switched to the MiG 21. The Federal Air Force lost 88 pilots, in F 04, although, and that's right, the accidents were fewer than the training was better.
The F-105D were replaced by the F-4 Phantom II and the F-111 Aardvark in 1970, but the F-105G "Wild Weasel" did not leave Southeast Asia until 1973. A total of 385 F-105s were lost in Vietnam: 312 were destroyed by anti-aircraft guns or -missiles shot down, 22 by MiG´s, 51 crashed in accidents. In total, Republic delivered 833 F-105s of all versions. Of these, 610 were the F-105D and 143 were the two-seat F-105F. n the case of the F-105D, i.e. the single-seater, half of the machines manufactured were brought down in Vietnam or crashing. She was undoubtedly fast once she freed herself from the bomb load on her wings, but her maneuverability and wing loading were horrors. She couldn't even allow herself to be caught near the ground by a MiG 17F, which was just an ancient subsonic machine from the same era as the Mystere IV and the Hawker Hunter. In 1986 I had the Vietnamese explain this to me in Vietnam. You should know that the Americans are only perfect at one thing: propaganda. We are currently experiencing it again.

The F105 went into the most hostile air defense environment in the world and more often than not brought the crew home alive. Yes a lot were lost but considering environment and the insane ROE laid down by the politicians, that was always going to be the case. The 'Thud' which was actually the most common nickname, carried a huge payload. More than any other aircraft at the time. It had a troubled early life due to reliability but by the mid to late 60s, the crews loved it. None of this is propaganda, this is what is written in the history books and what 'thud' pilots say. Don't forget, the aeroplane was designed to be a tactical nuclear bomber, the designers never meant for it to have stuff hanging off the wings. It coped with all of that and still did the job asked of it.

[chopper_nut]

On a different note, for those interested in the REAL story of the German F104s, look here

Watch on youtube.com

[Splitpin]

Nick, thanks for the link....what a fantastic interview.
I really respect, educated, informed, been there done that, input. And that pilot ticked all the boxes.
The reasons for the early losses were very interesting, it would have been like taking a drag race car to a hill climb ...what could go wrong.
This will be watched a few more times...great stuff, thanks very much.

[simonh]

Regarding the F-105..in the Wild Weasel role, their motto should've been the same as the US Navy A-4s flying the Iron Hand missions which the Navy dubbed Flak Suppression Missions.. it was First in..Last out.

[Charl]

Great clip.
Coming from a guy who mixed it with US combat pilots, (and presumably heard it from the horse's mouth) he made an astonishing statement:
The US LOST the Korean war.
I've never heard it referenced in this way.