FLIGHT News Update

[Ian Warren]

I'm not really sure about Russian scenery except it looks like Russia .. strange way to explain a screen but it has this very communitistic concrete look that evolved after the WWII rebuild and it even shows in FS , come a any shot from any part of the ole USSR < .... all that from one screenie

[FlyingKiwi]

Makes no sense to me - casual players want games where you shoot things down, as demonstrated by the fact that games like Ace Combat are successful and ones like Sky Odyssey on the PS2 where you just fly around and complete challenges aren't. Enthusiasts want something realistic, but also easily expandable and with a broad scope to support any type of aircraft, flying environment etc. Flight doesn't sound like it will fit either market.

My only hope now is that the game is readily expandable without having to spend bucketloads of money and HawaiiSim 2012 is just a template on which 3rd party developers can build a decent flight sim.

[happytraveller]

Well flight simmers in Hawaii will be happy, gamers will be happy but most flight simmers will be disappointed.

In a way, it is sort of good news, because we can hold on to FSX and all the FSX add-ons for a good bit longer, and there will be no real incentive to race out and download Flight. It is certainly not what real flight simmers were hoping for, but MS are aiming for a different market.


Long live FSX !!!!!

smooth landings.

[Ian Warren]

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Long live FSX !!!!![/quote]

I have just got FSX up and running on my new computer.

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[Sinz]

Hi All,

First post and a bit of a Sim Noob. Although I do have a copy of FS 98 which I use to mess about with and loved as a kid, but never really had a computer to handle the game. That has now changed and I not so long ago purchased FSX (Gold) and was extremely impressed with the improvements on FS98. Of course when I installed FSX and saw "Microsoft Flight" and the scenery improvements I got really excited. Sad to read that they are going down the path of Game rather than Simulator. I don't fly planes real life but did have an experience flying one years ago. There was a fuel scare one Christmas and my cousins husband a Pilot instructor, had flown down to Masterton in a Cessna for the family gathering and had to fly to Eketahuna to refuel before heading back to Auckland. Needless to say I went with him and got to fly back from Eketahuna to Masterton, land, taxi and takeoff and fly around a bit. Was awsome! Would love to fly real life.

All I can say is I hope Microsoft Flight goes the right way down the path and looks after the simmer more once thier "Game Plan" dosn't work out, which I don't think it will. I have a 16 year old not even slightly interested, to busy with Wow and killing Zombies in Black Ops (which I admit I get into as well).

Will have a look at It, as it's a Free download? But can't see myself buying into it if it's a game base program. Will probably go more for the Addon Scenery from Godzone? Very Awsome! ( I thought FSX scenery was wicked but Godzone puts it to shame. Photo realistic all the way ).

A couple shots from a Noob Simmer of something I see most days (apart from when its cloudy of course).





Still Learning to fly and spell. haha
Sinz

[Ian Warren]

Welcome to NZFF Sinz , it can only get better , and psss keep getting told my spell is ways out and a way with words ....

[Sinz]

Cheers Ian.

Spelling never was my strong point either.

[Rotordude]

QUOTE (Sinz @ Jan 5 2012,9:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Cheers Ian.

Spelling never was my strong point either.

Don't use the spell checker Ian uses, I don't think it works ......... nah who cares about spelling, only idiots that have nothing better to do.

On the other matter about Flight. It's freemium for the base package so lets wait and see, It's gonna cost nothing to find out what its like. As for paying for aircraft and areas well don't we do that now? Heck just for New Zealand in FSX I have paid out 5 times just for the base. "Roads and Rivers, Mountains of NZ, FScene, VLC, FTX" and a sixth time coming up for NZNI when it is released wow in excess of $200 just for mesh and land class's.

If the base platform works out I can see the business model with in house QC being a big plus, I don't know about others but I am sick to death of paying 40-50 Euros for an addon that is F*&^%g cr@p and devs that don't give a sht.

If Flight is good I will support it, if not it has cost me nothing to find out. win,win.

[deeknow]

Lads, take a squiz at the following post over at avsim, by John V of Orbx and provides some interesting insight to the lead up to Flight and the prospects for Prepar3D, all pretty encouraging ....
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/358739-since-...out-of-the-bag/

[Sinz]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Jan 5 2012,10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lads, take a squiz at the following post over at avsim, by John V of Orbx and provides some interesting insight to the lead up to Flight and the prospects for Prepar3D, all pretty encouraging ....
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/358739-since-...out-of-the-bag/

I hate to say it but MS are going down that market share path of, If you want more you gonna have to pay for it with MS Flight. I still don't think it will fly. There's a certain type that get into Flight Sims and it isnt the kids of today (trying to make a game of it won't work) it's the older generation of yesterday. I am one of which will not pay MS for X amount of land just to fly to and land on. I'll stick with FSX even though its CPU load bearing rather than GPU which it should be.

Sinz

[Kelvinr]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Jan 5 2012,10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lads, take a squiz at the following post over at avsim, by John V of Orbx and provides some interesting insight to the lead up to Flight and the prospects for Prepar3D, all pretty encouraging ....
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/358739-since-...out-of-the-bag/

Hey Deek,

Must have been the same thread I was reading. I must admit it did bring a sense of reprieve. Looks like we may just be leaving Microsoft in their own poop and bidding for another vendor. Sounds like Lockheed have some code techies to sort the "warts" out with FSX and bring the platform back from its crippledome.


Quote form John Venema (ORBX CEO)

"MS don't know what they have in the FSX engine source code, or they would not have licensed it to LM. It is by far the most capable and impressive 3D far-horizon engine ever coded - bar none. Nothing, even in 2012 comes close to the number of pixels and terrain the FSX engine can push at a locked 60Hz. Problem is, the code needs a little loving and MS won't fund that. So good thing we have a dev team at LM who are doing just that. Can't wait for that engine to be running close to the metal and off the CPU and onto the GPU. Yes, that's coming and it will rock.

As for making our own engine? Been there, done that, talked to a bunch of suppliers. Again, nothing comes close to the FSX core code, it's that good. There is a reason why code from 26 years ago was retained. It would cost us about $30 million to start from scratch, maybe more. Better to just make content for an engine that is working and being developed forward. "

[happytraveller]

The reply by John Venema was very revealing, and said a lot. It certainly puts the position of MS Flight and FSX into perspective, and makes quite a few things clear. Not what we were all hoping for though, but at least we know now, so can continue to concentrate on FSX. I am still surprised sometimes when I see a screenshot from FS9, even that simulator can produce good simulations, and FSX is even better.

Good news though for all of us who have spend so much time and money on FSX and good news for all the developers who have invested in FSX.

Long live FSX !!

smooth landings.

[Rotordude]

QUOTE (happytraveller @ Jan 6 2012,1:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The reply by John Venema was very revealing, and said a lot. It certainly puts the position of MS Flight and FSX into perspective, and makes quite a few things clear.

Of course a CEO of a company is not going to recommend you go away from a platform that they can make money from. Personally I hold what JV says with a grain of salt atm considering his opinion is base on the fact that he cant get his hands into the MS Flight cookie jar.
In saying that yes I am open minded about the whole thing to the point of I am buying Prepar3D. I do like the idea of where LH is heading with passing off a lot CPU cycles to the GPU, DX12, that is exciting stuff.

[SgtPepper]

I'm pretty sure i'll be trying out "Flight." The initial "game " is free so what have I got to loose?? Mind you this is a typical drug dealer style approach to selling something... lets hope it's not too addictive, unless of course it is dirt cheep to acquire the necessary add ons.

I'm sure it can't be any worse than turning the default FSX into something worth while to look at, I know i've spent,( like most,) what I consider a small fortune on fantastically created add ons of which there are more of, lots more, and got no further than the fair shores of our beautiful country. Oh well you can't take it with you.

Although I consider ORBX one af the top scenery designers and the thought of them carrying on with the development of FSX is great, living in an ORBX world cost an arm and a leg, thats expensive real estate man.

If "Flight" is the next successful progression for PC based flight simulation, and I mean successful, then to me it makes sense in supporting it?? Suppose I could always go back to stamp collecting.

[Nzeddy]

Sneak peak of MSFlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVgUuDY1UjM

He has 2 other videos of the beta as well. lol

Looks like someone is going to be in trouble.

[SgtPepper]

Mmmm I don't think that is going to hold my interest for long, thay'd have to have some pretty good and quick updates.

Wonder what the settings were?

[leow5263]

I think his flying skills is going to get him in more trouble than the 50 odd thousand dollar fine Microsoft could give him in court

[Kelvinr]

QUOTE (Nzeddy @ Jan 6 2012,10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sneak peak of MSFlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVgUuDY1UjM

He has 2 other videos of the beta as well. lol

Looks like someone is going to be in trouble.

Seems like this beta tester will be dragged over the coals. He may even be quite peed off about Flight as well, nevertheless I really don't see what damage this will do (with regard to pulling the enthusiasts back in), after looking at that i'm in no hurry to dedicate time into this one. definitely ARCADE without a doubt. it's even a little jerky with the micro stutters and the environmental ambiance does not look like what i was hoping for. Shade can do this in FSX, just without the shadows. But I'm happy with FSX after seeing this. what a shame though.

[hasegawa]

Not only here in NZ the waves are high... In Germany and Austria.... and in Russia are a lot of drastic words in the forums and the admins didn't stop it...

Flight may be the game of the year 2012 for Kids.... and next year it is always forgotten...

Prepare3d makes sense and Lockheed-Martin is in a win-win-Situation... it is better, it runs with a lot of FSX-Stuff like ORBX... but the price is not hot.

X-Plane 10 need a lot of refurbishment from the Pre-Version to the Ultimate Version to get into the rule of a Microsoft-Killer.


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Gentlemen, let us see. I think, we find a way to fly. I go to military and fly DCS A-10C and Kamov Ka 50 Version 2
Sometimes I may dream about giving some Microsoft-Managers a Hellfire under the ass... for what they have done... RRRRR!

Sorry for the drastic words Gentlemen...

But I stilll want to fly over NZ and over Germany, the UK, Rodina and Latvia to...with FSX and VLC, UT, REX... and I think, this this is a good option for years to come... It is good, cost-effective and in the future we let Microsft outside of our dreams.

Not only with Flight... I do not need Windows 8 and this cloud-nonsens. The Americans have no idea about Data Protection... And I like my privacy....

[Adrian Brausch]

QUOTE (Nzeddy @ Jan 6 2012,10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sneak peak of MSFlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVgUuDY1UjM

He has 2 other videos of the beta as well. lol

Looks like someone is going to be in trouble.

ha video ( not surprisingly) is removed

with the DX-10 64bit side of FSX so hardly touched on ,there is almost two sims in one ...like FS9, FSX, and FSX64bit its a side of the sim that has had bugger all made for it (at least addons that make full use of it) I know I for one cannot run it yet as I dont have a good enough card, processing power or a 64bit capable PC so once I have a new PC capable of handling it I will have a whole new sim to explore. I am fairly certain that I am one of many that are in the same boat so FSX's longevity is pretty much assured for a loooong time yet