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Postby Timmo » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:59 am

Very insightful postings- Im also very curious about the Ukraine and the Eastern block....Im not sure why, ive always just had a fascination with that area...

Ill visit there one day and would love to have a look at the aviation history side of things....

I think the An-74 visited the Auckland airshow in 199?....cant remember....

Actually no, it wasnt the An-74, it was the larger flying boat but which also had 'Coanda-effect' engines mounted forward of the wing (which, for a flying boat is also very important for the afforementioned FOD and water ingestion problems)
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Postby hasegawa » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:27 am

Some new Pics from the Ukraine and Russia ...

Yak 40... the first Regionaljet, Dekades before CRJ-100 and ERJ-135... This aircraft is now in the last day´s of it´s useful life. In the Ukraine the Yak 40 is retired from Service with the airlines, but useful as Ambulance-Aircraft like this. The airport is Odessa, Ukraine (UKOO).









... and this picture is history in reality. Aeroflot has no longer the Yak 40 in it´s inventory. The airport is Krasnodar, Russia (URKK)




With Krasair from Sukhumy/Georgia to Krasnodar/Russia





Another aircraft in it´s last day´s is the Tupolev Tu 134A-3. In the Ukraine may two of them with UM-Air and one example with the Air Force of the Ukraine... but no ukrainian Airline has this aircraft in use for flights in foreign countries.

But a huge number of this type survived in Russia and other contries of the former Soviet Union. But the day´s are over. My very first flight in 1980 was with such an aircraft from Berlin Schönefeld to Moscow Sheremetjevo... So it is a part of my personal history... This aircraft is operated by Aeroflot-Don, from Rostov-on-Don. It is 51 % in the hand of the state of Russia.





And this is a Mil Mi-17... Looks like the Mi-8? Yes, that´s right, but the Mil Mi-17 has an internal APU, the Mi-8 has not and the Tail-Rotor is at the other side. And this is a very special example. It is the Helicopter of President Putin. More information see at

http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/





Here seen at the flight from Krasnaya Polyarna (URS2) to Sochi (URSS)
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Postby Charl » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:33 am

Very interesting to see those aircraft Hasegawa - I've had an A380 pay a visit to Odessa from Budapest :D which is my favourite airport scenery at present!
Nice chopper model, of course anything George Bush can do...what's Putin's Air Force One equivalent I wonder?
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Postby ardypilot » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:07 am

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what's Putin's Air Force One equivalent I wonder?[/quote]
A quick search of A.net reveals it to be 'RA-96012', an Ilyushin Il-96-300 of the Russia State Transport Company.

Great pics as always hasegawa, thanks for posting!
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Postby Charl » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:20 pm

Lovely aircraft, well searched and found Trolly - arriving at my current not-NZ favourite airport, Ferihegy, Budapest!
I hope there's a repaint for that one (of course now to carry Mr. Medvedev)
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Postby hasegawa » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:39 pm

RA 96012 is available.

http://il-96-dev-team.3dn.ru/

But something must be done with this aircraft and so I am waiting for the Version 3.1 with some refinements.
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Postby Ian Warren » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:09 pm

Timmo wrote:
QUOTE (Timmo @ Mar 10 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually no, it wasnt the An-74, it was the larger flying boat but which also had 'Coanda-effect' engines mounted forward of the wing (which, for a flying boat is also very important for the afforementioned FOD and water ingestion problems)

Tim , I recall the show , mentioned above had the AN40 designation(or then), but built by Beriev , the 'AN' maybe partner (Antonov) possibilly ... and with the western(NATO)codename Albatross , heck even i have very little on this anphibian/flying boat , and appears to have not been a success or no further devolpment .

Maybe hasegawa could have further info on the type.
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Postby Naki » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:26 pm

Ian - the Beriev A-40 (not an Antonov) morphed into a smaller version - the Beriev Be-200 and this has had some success. See here.. They have sold some to the Russian govt for fire fighting - and are trying to sell some to the French, Greeks and Indonesians for the same role.

I was lucky to see the A-40 (along with a Ilyushin Il-76) in action at the international airshow in Auckland in the early 1990s (1992?). I remember it having very bald tyres - was worried that they would burst on landing -I guess the Russian pilots weren't too worried about it as they could land in the water instead! I have some Russian pamphlets I grabbed at the airshow on the A-40 stashed away somewhere.
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Postby Ian Warren » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:35 pm

Naki wrote:
QUOTE (Naki @ Mar 30 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ian - the Beriev A-40 (not an Antonov) morphed into a smaller version - the Beriev Be-200 and this has had some success.

Not smaller , please Noooooo , guess the lost for extreme aircraft is finally gone :ph43r: NNNnnnnoooooooo
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Postby hasegawa » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:45 pm

... and here is RA 96012... Mr. Putin´s aircraft.

As expected, this is Version 3.0 of this aircraft and someting must by done. The next steps must be the integration of the Mirage-FMC, Removing those Boeing-Radios, Instruments for the MFD´s in the VC... and more readable instruments in the 2D-Version. But it is flyabel and not so bad. The problem with the metric instruments is no problem. Via Tooltips you have always the speed in kts and the height in ft.







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Postby hasegawa » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:48 am

Something to the former OKB Berijew, now Таганрогский авиационный научно-технический комплекс имени Г. М. Бериева, which means
Taganrogski awijazionny nautschno-technitscheski kompleks imeni G. M. Berijewa, Taganrog aircraft scientific and technological Center G. M. Beriev, the name of the founder in 1934...

This is in Taganrog (Таганро́г), a city on the Sea of Asov (Азовское море) with around 269.000 inhabitants. It is in the district of Rostov-on-Don (Ростовская область/Rostowskaja oblast), some 80 km from Rostow. It is an old town, foundet in the 13th century from Italiens from the Republic of Pisa...
The history of the city you must see under the context of the history of Russia, to build or conquer a Harbour on the Black Sea. It was a great cultural place and some interesting people are born or lived here. Anton Tschechow for Example... and Georgi Berijew.
Georgi Michailowitsch Berijew (Георгий Михайлович Бериев) was born in Tiflis 13.02.1903 (gregorian caledar), studiet schippbuilding and aircraft design at the the polytechnical Institute in Leningrad. He gradueted as Engineer 1930. From 1934 to 1968! he was the CEO and Chief Designer of the Center for Building of naval Aircraft in Taganrog. He was a not so popular like Tupolev or Iljushin, but his aircraft are often very special. Beriev Be 6, Be 10 and Be 12 are the aircraft, which I personaly see at first after I hear Beriev. Georgi Michailowitsch Berijew died on the 12th of July 1979 in Moscow.

Today Beriev is a part of the russian Irkut Holding Group...

http://www.irkut.com/en/


One of the other activities of Beriev is the support of the Sukhoi Regional Jet RRJ

Two things are also of interest for us Flusi-Pilots:

http://www.beriev.com/eng/core_e.html

It is the Beriev 103, a smal amphibian aircraft for General Aviation. It is an interesting aircraft and a unique design.

The other point lies in the history of the Facilities in Taganrog. In WWII they produced under a legal license the Consolidated PBY "Catalina" as "GST" ... But I don´t know, the meaning of GST... sorry.
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Postby Charl » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:17 am

hasegawa wrote:
QUOTE (hasegawa @ Mar 30 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
RA 96012 is available.
http://il-96-dev-team.3dn.ru/
But something must be done with this aircraft and so I am waiting for the Version 3.1 with some refinements.

Thanks for the link Hasegawa, it appears Ver 3.1 is now available?
However I seem to have trouble finding the base model, my Russian translator isn't quite up to speed...
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Postby hasegawa » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:44 am

Charl, I feel sorry, but the guys from Projekt Il 96 didn´t answer me for the question where the newest Version ist. This seems like the Version, 3.0 I use at the moment and seen at my pictures.

http://il-96-dev-team.3dn.ru/news/2008-01-11-9

I hope, it is an inspiration and let us see, what these guys are doing next. I know they working on the Intergration of the Mirage-FMC...
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Postby Charl » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:24 am

Hasegawa, the link goes to a set of 6 files totalling around 150MB.
Surely not for an aircraft???
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Postby hasegawa » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:17 pm

This is the aircraft Charl. all 6 of them it occupies unpacked as follows: Il 96-300, 275MB, Il 96-400 174 MB, Il 96M 142 MB... I have seen in the package und see that one Liverie kost around 100MB and have no Idea why. It is not an elegant thing to use ressources in such way. Charl, I have no idea, what they are doing... In practise I cant not say, that this aircraft is more hungry as others.
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Postby hasegawa » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:09 am

Maybe of some interest...

http://boards.flusi24.de/index.php?page=Th...;threadID=14499

This is a Flight from UHPP Petropawlowsk-Kamtschatki to UHMM Magadan with Antonov An 24...
A smal Overland-Flight in Russia...

http://boards.flusi24.de/index.php?page=Th...;threadID=14649

And here is a flight form UTSS, Samarkand, Uzbekistan to UAAA Almaty Kasakhstan with Yak 40

It is from my old german board. here I post sometimes in German... But I think the screens there are from some interest.
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Postby hasegawa » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:47 am

Some Tupolev Tu 134A in ukrainian markings... meanwhile they are history...





After the end of the Aeroflot in the Ukraine it was clear, to use the aircraft remained here from the Aeroflot Regional Division´s in Odessa and Kiev. So the "National Flagg Carrier" Air Ukraine was born. It was a very mottly fleet of aircraft and step by step they are out of service. In 2004 the Air Ukraine gone and its aircraft are sold or ended in the Junk yard... like this.

The Ukraine International Airlines with it´s fleet of Boeing 737´s is now the "Flagg carrier".



This example is from the Ukrainian Air Force... sorry , I don´t know, if it is in use today.



... and this example is from UM Air, based at Simferopol.
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Postby Daniel » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:53 am

More great screenshots this time of the Tupolev TU 134 :thumbup:
All taken on a very foggy day :P
Keep the shots coming

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Postby hasegawa » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:42 pm

O.k. Daniel, but I have no further Tupolevs 134A in fog in Odessa...

But here is a "smal collection" of this type. Hope they are from interest.





This is an aircraft from the Government of the Ukraine. It is meanwhile replaced by an Antonov An 148...



This is another view over UR-65765. This Aircraft is meanwhile retired from service. The Air Ukraine endet it´s life at the end of 2004...

And here something from Russia:



RA 65727 Банк Московский Капитал, Capital Bank Moscow, "seen here" in Sochi-Adler
No idea, what they are doing with this aircraft, but I like the Repaint.



RA 65780 Коминтеравиа, Kominteravia at Voronesh,



RA 65066 Аерофлот норд, Aeroflot North at Arkhangelsk. The last reamining aircraft of this type with Aeroflot serving this year from Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, Think, these are the last hour´s with Aeroflot...



RA 65080 Калининград Авиа, Kaliningrad Avia, seen at Sochi-Adler.



RA 65005 Утаир, UTair, sseen in Magadan



RA 65881 Сибавиатранс, Sibaviatrans



RA 65086 Волга Авиа Экспресс, Volga Avia Express, Rostov-on-Don



RA 65132 Яамал, Jamal



RA 65775 Пермские Авиалинии, Perm Airlines, in Magadan



RA ? unknown, not visible... Surgut

Well, think this is enough. I have also the new Livree of Belavia and tree aircraft from Kazakhstan...
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Postby Ian Warren » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:53 pm

I'd love to get the front window seat in one of those :) Great pics hasegawamore a bomber looking type always .... come to your destination , steady .... steady ... PAX gone
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