Trainee pilots restricted

[benwynn]

One thing that is rather annoying, is no increase in loan to counteract the increase in fuel costs. Consequently- less hours!

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (J7G @ Apr 24 2011,9:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where do I sign up for the iPods, jeans and flash cars? Also, how does one get them through their student loans? Curious minds want to know!

I wasn't referring to purchasing these items with student loan cash (as used to happen) but as an indication that if you want to fly say goodbye to those luxury items (they are not must haves, which the modern youth seem to think they are). All part of the sacrifice and commitment. The whole idea is to get as many qualifications and hours in the shortest time possible and when you are as young as possible.

As an aside Air NZ have now announced the NZ Aviation institute which will be formally announced today.

Essentially it is the airlines involvement in ab-initio training and will involve collaboration with 5 FTO's (to be announced today). As I understand it applicants will be selected (criteria yet to be defined) and commence their training at one of the 5 FTO's. The idea is to get them to MEIR standard and have the ATPL subjects completed. After this the students will proceed to the Airline integration course (run by the Aviation institute and known as the school of flight) where there will be a focus on airline procedures and multi crew integration etc.
All of this will be funded by the student and through the student loan scheme. In fact industry involvement in ab-initio training is a requirement for the student loan system to continue in any shape and form in this industry.
The idea is to generate and guarantee a continued supply of a pool of pilots who have demonstrated above average skills and talent in which third level operators can select their new hire pilots from. It is not a guarantee of a job but these graduates will be considered and interviewed first.

[chopper_nut]

QUOTE (benwynn @ Apr 24 2011,10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

One thing that is rather annoying, is no increase in loan to counteract the increase in fuel costs. Consequently- less hours!

I had to scavenge as many hours as I could to do my C-Cat. I ended up with 20 hours of ferry flights to Nelson for maintainance... at .3 or .4 at a time! You have to get quite inventive to get people to contribute to the cost of your flying.

[connor]

QUOTE (chopper_nut @ Apr 20 2011,5:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I had to scavenge as many hours as I could to do my C-Cat. I ended up with 20 hours of ferry flights to Nelson for maintainance... at .3 or .4 at a time! You have to get quite inventive to get people to contribute to the cost of your flying.

Just pull out a couple of go-arounds on the ferry flights.

[benwynn]

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As an aside Air NZ have now announced the NZ Aviation institute which will be formally announced today.[/quote]

Air New Zealand Aviation Institute helps meet global aviation recruitment demand
http://www.guide2.co.nz/money/news/busines...demand/11/21638

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[benwynn]

Any more info on the institute? Been monitoring it for a while, but not much info on the site yet. Looks like the IAANZ will be a partner though.

[madkudu]

Well the 5 Flight Training Organisations are:
-Massey University School of Aviation
-Air Hawkes Bay
-International Aviation Academy of New Zealand
-Nelson Aviation College
-Southern Wings

They have a fb page that they just started and will probably have several updates in the coming days HERE

[AndrewJamez]

QUOTE (madkudu @ Apr 20 2011,6:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well the 5 Flight Training Organisations are:
-Massey University School of Aviation
-Air Hawkes Bay
-International Aviation Academy of New Zealand
-Nelson Aviation College
-Southern Wings

They have a fb page that they just started and will probably have several updates in the coming days HERE

CTC Aviation, Hamilton ??

[benwynn]

CTC Already have links to numbers airlines and a lot of international pilots, so probably not the right connections they're looking for.

[HamiltonWest]

QUOTE (AndrewJamez @ Apr 20 2011,7:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

CTC Aviation, Hamilton ??

They Probably Generally Nicked CTC's Training syllabus for this institute when Eagle supposedly became a partner airline with CTC Having access to the Training program?.

WAIKATO OPEN DAY
See our world class training facilities for yourself!
Saturday 18 June
CTC Crew Training Centre, Hamilton
Just down the road from the Fieldays!

If you’ve ever dreamed of becoming an airline pilot then join us at our Roadshow or visit us at our Training Centre on our Waikato Open Day to find out how CTC Aviation can make it happen!

This is your chance to talk to CTC Aviation’s training captains, flight instructors, and cadets.

http://www.ctcwings.com/nz/openday.asp

[scon]

The operator I am now with is included in that list.

This Aviation Institute is not a cadetship as some have called it.

What it will allow is people who have passed though the program to 'possibly' obtain an interview with a Link partner on less hours than normal.

However the Link RTG interviews will still select people based on merit, pilots selected though this program will be on the same T&C's as everyone else and follow the same path, i.e no direct entry to Jets e.t.c

What this allows is for Air NZ to control training to a degree, from what I hear they are sick of some types of training (particular examples have been mentioned in this thread already). So by training pilots to basic Air NZ SOP's and requirements early on it makes integration into Air NZ easier if or when a pilot get in.

[morrisman1]

Interesting, this is definitely going to affect me. Will find out how shortly. Hoping for the best!

[Kelburn]

Just thought I should mention, bout time. This thing's been in the works for over 12 months now!

[jd1]

QUOTE (benwynn @ Apr 19 2011,7:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Get a loan for your PPL then. I don't see it being fair for 'older' men and women who will most likely never make it to Jets, the whole reason the funding was introduced in the first place. I doubt the scheme was introduced due to the lack of 185 pilots or lack of flying instructors.

After reading this comment I had to say something, your comment about older men and women who will most likely never make it to the jets is completely unfounded. You will find that age in this case can actually be quite advantageous for when you are applying for a job within an airline. This gentleman who is in his 40's that is currently training would have a far better chance than you at getting into a jet position, having hours isn't everything when it comes to applying for an airline position the amount of life experience you have behind you is also very important to take into account. You will also find quite often airlines will employ "older" pilots way before they employ these young fellas fresh out of flight school.
Do you really think that everyone that goes into these courses are actually aiming for an airline career anyway? A lot of people are more than happy with scenic flights or instructing. Not everybody that gets into flying has a passion to work for an airline it just depends on what that person is into. The student loan scheme wasn't introduced just for these kids fresh out of school to access (whom most will never even get an airline job) it was for all new zealanders including "older folk" too.

[benwynn]

The Pilot Training Funding scheme was introduced due to a lack of Airline Pilots, not charter/instructing etc. I'm sure many older folk may not be aiming for an airline career, which is fine. I agree, age can certainly assist with getting into an Airline position, however, with the recent introduction of rules governing combined flight-deck age etc, airlines are apprehensive about hiring older pilots with little ambition to achieve a Command position in the future. The New Zealand government is certainly not in a position, now or in the future, to fund pilots who are 'enthusiastic' about flying without getting some return, regardless of the sector of flying.

Also, don't make assumptions about what type of person I am, or generalise the younger age bracket. Young, sharp minds are always handy especially in such a fast paced environment. Just take a look at the number of young guys at places like Eagle Air and Sounds Air.

[chopper_nut]

Ok guys, settle down.

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (chopper_nut @ Jun 1 2011,6:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok guys, settle down.

Thanks Nick you just beat to it guys read the NZFF rules

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jun 1 2011,7:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks Nick you just beat to it guys read the NZFF rules

Can you clarify which part of the rules this applies to? A healthy debate is good, especially seeing as this is a forum.

[J7G]

We had a career expo thing at uni a few weeks ago, the CTC guys were there and I ended up speaking to what seemed like the manager for 10 minutes or so. He seemed surprised when I said that, if I were to do my CPL after uni, I wouldn't really be interested in the airlines. I told him those jets don't interest me but he seemed to insist that if I were to do my CPL then going onto the ATPL would be advantageous/essential to getting a job.

He also mentioned they're working on getting some banks to finance people's PPLs to they could go onto their funded CPL. I presume that's reasonably common knowledge and not something confidential he's told me. All very interesting but I don't think I would relocate to Hamilton.

Sorry if this is wandering off topic a bit.

EDIT: Not sure how that popped up twice...

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ Jun 1 2011,7:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can you clarify which part of the rules this applies to? A healthy debate is good, especially seeing as this is a forum.

2. Respect all other members and visitors to the forum -- no personal attacks, insults or derogatory comments;

That is where it looked like it could have been going