NZFF

by **SeanTK** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:34 pm

http://secure.simmarket.com/bear-studios-flanker-b.phtml

Basically a Chinese Su-27SK, though research indicates that the B model is about 90% indigenous.

by **Ian Warren** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:29 pm

Its amazing how open the Soviets are with their toys today ... twenty years ago this would have been called espionage

by **Splitpin** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:29 pm

Hmmmm maybe worth a look ...... Да здравствует Родина

by **J7G** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:34 pm

I've been looking forward to this...now to wait until the computer is fixed lol.

by **FlyingKiwi** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:27 pm

I've wanted a really good SU-27 for FSX for a while now - this will be an acceptable alternative though, and although the last time I flew a Bear Studios aircraft it was their MiG-15 from the very early days of FSX I did find the MiG-15 to be pretty good overall so as long as they've kept their standard up this should be a good investment too.

by **hasegawa** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:19 am

Well... this is a "modified" chinese (!) version and something different from the original thing.

This is the typical Suchoi Su 27B, You can find in Russia and some foreign customers with the "classic" cockpit and the modernized cockpit as well. I have tested it for FS Magazine Germany. It is a good representaition and not only a modified chinese pirate copy. (Original, not Bearsoft!)

http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=su27flanker

It is the version from the 80Â´s, the original "Flanker B". The other cockpit is for gaming only. Forme it it is a good representation of the original.

EDIT... I have edited the passage about the Chinese and their interest to steeling and copy technology from others. The damage in Germany last year for steeling and copyright-violations from China was around 50 Mrd Euro. ... but i think this is not the intention of the forum to discuss about the origin of this so called Shenjang J-11B.

To understand, what China is and how they steeling anything they need...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_war

"The art of war"... Chapter No. 13 describbed the principles of Espionage.

by **J7G** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:34 pm

I have this aircraft now so when I get home tonight I'll put some screenshots and thoughts about it up. It's quite nice.

Hasegawa, are you implying that Bear Studios have copied this from another company?

by **Naki** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:09 pm

I think what is meant here is the real J-11 is a copy of the SU-27...not that Bear Studios have copied anything

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:11 pm

The Russian or Chinese "Flanker" its almost embarrassing for me to say i have the what is considered to be the western counterpart the "Eagle" as far as Interceptors are concerned i have have but hav'nt hardly taken it outta the box ... one thing tho .. China - North Korea .. I sincerely hope after going thru the Chinese copy center they have not given hundreds to Kim Ill Dong Pong the Northern leader of destruction a few hundred examples for a presidential congrads on replacing old man Kim Ill or we could really be in for a really warm cold war.

by **J7G** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:56 pm

Naki wrote:
QUOTE (Naki @ Mar 11 2013,3:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think what is meant here is the real J-11 is a copy of the SU-27...not that Bear Studios have copied anything

Not to sound patronising but I know English is his second language so I wasn't really sure which way he was leaning with the post.

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Mar 11 2013,4:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Russian or Chinese "Flanker" its almost embarrassing for me to say i have the what is considered to be the western counterpart the "Eagle" as far as Interceptors are concerned i have have but hav'nt hardly taken it outta the box ... one thing tho .. China - North Korea .. I sincerely hope after going thru the Chinese copy center they have not given hundreds to Kim Ill Dong Pong the Northern leader of destruction a few hundred examples for a presidential congrads on replacing old man Kim Ill or we could really be in for a really warm cold war.

If you have the BS J11 we should tango sometime

I've found she's really easy to fly, and FAST. F A S T!

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:40 pm

J7G wrote:
QUOTE (J7G @ Mar 11 2013,4:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you have the BS J11 we should tango sometime I've found she's really easy to fly, and FAST. F A S T!

May have to look into that , first i best learn the F-15 .. its tripping up every 10 minutes or so ... the one i'd want to test against would be the little A4

by **J7G** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:13 pm

Heheheheh

Mig17 vs A4 would be a good duel me thinks!

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:50 pm

I ll take the A4 .... but I still need to get a Fresco

by **J7G** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:21 pm

BS have done one of those too...the only FSX one IIRC.

by **J7G** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:51 pm

Here are some photos of the J11BS, which is the two seater.

The cockpits are in Chinese but there's also English available, too. So here are a couple of photos. The real gem of this aircraft is in the systems. Supposedly they're looking at putting trackpac support on it, too, which would be fun. I prefer the J10 myself but that's a personal preference. BS have done a lot of Chinese/Soviet aircraft and they're generally pretty good (though I've heard the -15 and -17 are good only now they're fully patched) and it's nice not to see yet another airliner popping up...

Rear cockpit. This is the J11BS cockpit, which is to say the two seat J11B. They have the J11A and SU27 cockpits, too.

Everything in Chinese.

Fanging it.

Lift off, believe it or not, heh.

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:03 pm

Great Screens Rhys ,

No airliners indeed .. but i would love to be a real time passenger in a backseat

NZFF

J-11B "Flanker B+"

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